Tyrone - Where to now?

There seems to be an opinion out there that Tyrone will be down for a while. Absolute rubbish. They still have the bones of good team left after retirements and introducing some new talent. Thay wont slide down the ladder like Armagh and Galway ,2001 and 2002 champs. I expect a fresh looking team in the league and a seetled one by the start of the championship.Best of luck to them.

Real Kerry Fan wrote:There seems to be an opinion out there that Tyrone will be down for a while. Absolute rubbish. They still have the bones of good team left after retirements and introducing some new talent. Thay wont slide down the ladder like Armagh and Galway ,2001 and 2002 champs. I expect a fresh looking team in the league and a seetled one by the start of the championship.Best of luck to them.

The bones of a good team yes but it will be one that will do well to be competitive at Ulster level for the next 2-3 years.

They have also been sliding down the ladder since the 2008 All-Ireland win. I'd be unsure if they will be able to stop that slide in 2012 - though I guess getting back to Croke Park for an All-Ireland Quarter-Final will be a good aim.

TC - do you think that Harte and Munroe could work together with the u21s and the seniors or would it be a recipe for disaster.

I think Munroe could be a valuable member of Mickeys team, i know there are those who say he only knows brute ignorance but you cant argue with his record. Certainly one of the main criticisms levelled at this years minors was they were 'too nice'.

I would hope Donnelly would stay too but a change of trainer might help, nothing against McCann as his record isn't bad either.

bocerty wrote:TC - do you think that Harte and Munroe could work together with the u21s and the seniors or would it be a recipe for disaster.

I think Munroe could be a valuable member of Mickeys team, i know there are those who say he only knows brute ignorance but you cant argue with his record. .

It would be a recipe for disaster Boc. I can't see Munroe being willing to have Mickey run the show, and running the show is the only way that Mickey knows.

While you can't dispute his record (2 all-ireland minor titles) I would argue with Munroe's job as manager, as I feel that he won those titles despite himself. Some of his selections were bizarre, and that has continued with the U21s. Tyrone won 2008 & 2010 all ireland minor titles, yet couldn't win the Ulster U21 this year - that was very disappointing.

So, no, I couldn't see it working, and would hate to think that Munroe would eventually become more involved at senior level.

Thomas Clarke wrote:

bocerty wrote:TC - do you think that Harte and Munroe could work together with the u21s and the seniors or would it be a recipe for disaster.

I think Munroe could be a valuable member of Mickeys team, i know there are those who say he only knows brute ignorance but you cant argue with his record. .

It would be a recipe for disaster Boc. I can't see Munroe being willing to have Mickey run the show, and running the show is the only way that Mickey knows.

While you can't dispute his record (2 all-ireland minor titles) I would argue with Munroe's job as manager, as I feel that he won those titles despite himself. Some of his selections were bizarre, and that has continued with the U21s. Tyrone won 2008 & 2010 all ireland minor titles, yet couldn't win the Ulster U21 this year - that was very disappointing.

So, no, I couldn't see it working, and would hate to think that Munroe would eventually become more involed at senior level.

two very strong personalities alright so i see were your coming from. I know what you mean about the selections too and the fact that some guys on those minor and U21 panels were there simply because of who they were (mugsy will back me up on this one!!!) and not how good they were.

Is there anyone else you would have in mind??????

It would make sense for whoever ultimately replaces Mickey as senior manager should have some involvement in the current set up, even at U21 level. However, the next Tyrone manager after Mickey Harte will, in all likelihood, be Peter Canavan, and I'm not sure he would want a background role.

I would give the U21s to Harte and whoever his senior background team are, and train them as one group. Big time demand on Mickey, but only really from Jan-April, which is before senior training really kicks in, and the U21s end.

Tyrone are gone in terms of winning all-Irelands for a few years.They can't replace lads like Hughes/Dooher Gormley/Ricey at present. They have no midfield and no forward anymore unless SON rediscovers himself but time is catching up on him to- amazed Harte didn't start him v Dublin. they have precious few man markers at the back anymore either. They will be a league 2 team for a couple of seasons. But it would take all almighty return in my view for Tyrone to win Sam again in the next 5 years.
I agree with TC Harte needs to take the u21 job again. They have had good minor teams every year but at u21 they have been a joke by their standards and as a result all their great minors are getting lost. But they are heading for a rebuild.
However with their structures they will be back maybe stronger then ever. But most of the team who played last saturday will never win another all-ireland. Cavanagh had a good year is best since 08. Rumours of his demise last year have being quickly forgotten . But Cavanagh now has to emerge as their talisman going forward...

A big plus for Tyrone is that the got to the last 8 easily/so they have something to build on i thought hipster made a good point about trial games,but i don't think anyone picked up on it...

Just a question, why did Tyrone posters think the red hand were any different from other counties that have had success in the passed ,a part from Kerry the road back is always long for most teams.....

And don't we know it Mullins!

But just like Down in the 60s, I feel Tyrone's newfound prominence has given football in the county the kind of boost that doesn't just wear off. They have built on it and have become a footballing powerhouse with an identity of its own, rather than being an also-ran. Tyrone will now be mentioned alongside the great Down and Cavan sides. In fact I think you can draw a lot of comparisons between the 60s Down team and Tyrone -- they both burst onto the scene with a confidence and attitude that rattled the established powers, they brought their own brand of intensity and tact which the purists sneered at, and even two great Kerry teams containing the likes of Mick O'Connell and the Gooch just could not handle them.

As easy as it is to overstate the importance of underage success, it is also easy to underestimate it. While there is no guarantee that the likes of Kyle Coney, Peter Harte, Ronan O'Neill, and Conan Grugan will go on to form part of title-winning teams it is certainly true that the presence of successful underage players, and the confidence they acquire from that success, bodes well for the future.

The counties with these strong youth systems will not automatically win All-Irelands, but they have a distinct advantage.

bluearmy1 wrote:And don't we know it Mullins!

-- they both burst onto the scene with a confidence and attitude that rattled the established powers, they brought their own brand of intensity and tact which the purists sneered at, and even two great Kerry teams containing the likes of Mick O'Connell and the Gooch just could not handle them.
The counties with these strong youth systems will not automatically win All-Irelands, but they have a distinct advantage.

It may have taken the established powers a while to "get to the pace of things" but eventually the game evolves, the bastions of the game, the teams with the utmost resolve, tradition and proven, on the day, big or bigger men of heart, survive.
That's why the likes of Kerry will always be successful, because it's in them, that ferocious pride in the gansey, green and gold, back to the days of Dick Fitzgerald and before him, that never say die attitude, the desire for this ONE like t'was their first...that's the driver....
In that light, there's a similiarity with Meath..A never give in attitude that has stood them well. While nobody stands in Kerry's shadow, it's a fallacy to ravel on about minors and U-21's...
Fine for all this crack about "Development Squads" (Financial drains on Co.Boards in the main) it's about what's in your own gut and are you prepared to bust it in the dream of the big day....

To loosely paraphrase Cyril Farrell: "I've seen 'em all Ger, Ring, Mackey, 'dem all...'Dere's only one DJ"....'Dere's only one Kerry....

There's truth in what you say, particularly that gut and attitude are defining hallmarks of great teams. But it's always easy to forget that Kerry can canter into the latter stages year in year out through the Munster championship. Kerry produce fantastic teams and the weakness of their province should not detract from that but with the occasional exception of Cork there is no one else who can really even hope of winning Munster. In 1997 Kerry may as well have been handed the trophy in late spring. It gets to the point where saying all this is regarded as heresy, and that Kerry would still come out on the right side of a first round Ulster championship match because they're Kerry ...but we'll never know.

Boxtyeater wrote:To loosely paraphrase Cyril Farrell: "I've seen 'em all Ger, Ring, Mackey, 'dem all...'Dere's only one DJ"....'Dere's only one Kerry....

Great line Boxty.

After DJ's point against Tipp in the 2002 All-Ireland semi, Cyril said:

"They may come and go, Ger. But there'll ever be one DJ Carey"

Great player. Great co-commentator.

The Puke wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

The Puke wrote:They have won 10 of the last 16 munster minor title

Would you ever fook off with your Munster titles ya gobshite - a fooking two horse race with Tipp winning the odd one every decade. They have won 2 minor titles in the last 30 years. It's sh1t record for a county that does so well at senior level.

they still won them, and makes your initial point invalid, although i don't expect you to admit you were wrong as you never do. But don't let the facts get in the way anyway. Last time I checked they were top of the roll of honour for All Ireland minor titles as well. Not too bad for a county that supposedly has won very little at underage

Antrim have just completed ten in a row minor titles in Ulster.

Expect the McCarthy Cup to be a permanent feature in Casement soon.

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

The Puke wrote:They have won 10 of the last 16 munster minor title

Would you ever fook off with your Munster titles ya gobshite - a fooking two horse race with Tipp winning the odd one every decade. They have won 2 minor titles in the last 30 years. It's sh1t record for a county that does so well at senior level.

they still won them, and makes your initial point invalid, although i don't expect you to admit you were wrong as you never do. But don't let the facts get in the way anyway. Last time I checked they were top of the roll of honour for All Ireland minor titles as well. Not too bad for a county that supposedly has won very little at underage

Antrim have just completed ten in a row minor titles in Ulster.

Expect the McCarthy Cup to be a permanent feature in Casement soon.

but that was in the foreign game

Thanks for looking out for us and all your advice fellas , in relation to this post ,good to know you want us to do well.

We have been told it was the end after 05 ,,,,( 06 07 were both poor enough seasons )and look what happened.

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 , both these teams were both finnished and old news,so said the papers and pundits (this has been proven wrong) a team knocking around the semis is a top team , 90% of the time , down last year maybe not, but they will be closer next year .

We have been in all ireland finals before mickey and this team ,,and will be in more , and that will be the sooner if mickey stays on for the longer .

joe motor mouth brolly said we dont have pedigree in the younger guys coming through last week on tv (even though he said they did last year as they won another all ireland) .
peter harte (mickeys nephew) niall mc kenna (eugene mc kenna son ) cant get better pedigree than that .
But we do have a bit of work to do,

The Red Hand will be in croker playing the dubs sooner than some think .

corrmullagh wrote:peter harte (mickeys nephew) niall mc kenna (eugene mc kenna son ) cant get better pedigree than that

Paul Dalglish has a great pedigree, but it didn't make him a class player (couldn't even make it in the Norn Prem with Linfield!). Likewise Gavin Strachan.

I think only a fool would write Tyrone off, and i think that is the point of Corrmullaghs post. I am certainly no lover of the dark side but it is nothing but lazy journalism to say Tyrone will not challenge for major honouts for a long time. Tyrone appear to have been the victim of lazy journalism since their breakthrough in 2003 when Spillage coined the phrase "puke football", this was a man who attacked Frankie Bellew in the press before the All Ireland Final of 2002 let's not forget so whatever came out of his mouth should always be taken with a pinch of salt.

Personally i feel that Tyrone will be in the shake up next season and will be a regular Q/f side, if they are to progress any further then that will depend on how they bring through the talent from the previous youth sides. The majority of the current, and most successful sides all came through the youth ranks together and while a similar approach would not always work, they do need to knit the 3 main managerial posts somewhat.

I will bow down to the Tyrone posters on here when they say who could and should come through, but just as a matter of interest, how is Canavan coming across as a manager/coach at the moment? He certainly would be a future manager of Tyrone, but does he have it in him?

Fair Point BE

Calum Best has a good Pedigree

Stephen O' Neill has committed to the Tyrone cause for at least one more year - i think he showed enough against the Dubs to warrant staying on. If only he could stay injury free.........

OMAR wrote:Fair Point BE

Calum Best has a good Pedigree

You could say he has the BEST pedigree!

bald eagle wrote:

OMAR wrote:Fair Point BE

Calum Best has a good Pedigree

You could say he has the BEST pedigree!

He seems to have inherited his father's ball control alright .... but the off the pitch one ...

corrmullagh wrote:Thanks for looking out for us and all your advice fellas , in relation to this post ,good to know you want us to do well.

We have been told it was the end after 05 ,,,,( 06 07 were both poor enough seasons )and look what happened.

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 , both these teams were both finnished and old news,so said the papers and pundits (this has been proven wrong) a team knocking around the semis is a top team , 90% of the time , down last year maybe not, but they will be closer next year .

We have been in all ireland finals before mickey and this team ,,and will be in more , and that will be the sooner if mickey stays on for the longer .

joe motor mouth brolly said we dont have pedigree in the younger guys coming through last week on tv (even though he said they did last year as they won another all ireland) .
peter harte (mickeys nephew) niall mc kenna (eugene mc kenna son ) cant get better pedigree than that .
But we do have a bit of work to do,

The Red Hand will be in croker playing the dubs sooner than some think .

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 ..

Whatever about 08,we were in the match in 05 big time.........I'm sure in the coming years The red hands will meet the Dubs again,but you will be leaving empty handed for a long time.....

mullins wrote:

corrmullagh wrote:Thanks for looking out for us and all your advice fellas , in relation to this post ,good to know you want us to do well.

We have been told it was the end after 05 ,,,,( 06 07 were both poor enough seasons )and look what happened.

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 , both these teams were both finnished and old news,so said the papers and pundits (this has been proven wrong) a team knocking around the semis is a top team , 90% of the time , down last year maybe not, but they will be closer next year .

We have been in all ireland finals before mickey and this team ,,and will be in more , and that will be the sooner if mickey stays on for the longer .

joe motor mouth brolly said we dont have pedigree in the younger guys coming through last week on tv (even though he said they did last year as they won another all ireland) .
peter harte (mickeys nephew) niall mc kenna (eugene mc kenna son ) cant get better pedigree than that .
But we do have a bit of work to do,

The Red Hand will be in croker playing the dubs sooner than some think .

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 ..

Whatever about 08,we were in the match in 05 big time.........I'm sure in the coming years The red hands will meet the Dubs again,but you will be leaving empty handed for a long time.....

Because when Dublin do well in the championship they stay there for a long time like in 1995.

Royal_Girl2k9 wrote:

mullins wrote:

corrmullagh wrote:Thanks for looking out for us and all your advice fellas , in relation to this post ,good to know you want us to do well.

We have been told it was the end after 05 ,,,,( 06 07 were both poor enough seasons )and look what happened.

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 , both these teams were both finnished and old news,so said the papers and pundits (this has been proven wrong) a team knocking around the semis is a top team , 90% of the time , down last year maybe not, but they will be closer next year .

We have been in all ireland finals before mickey and this team ,,and will be in more , and that will be the sooner if mickey stays on for the longer .

joe motor mouth brolly said we dont have pedigree in the younger guys coming through last week on tv (even though he said they did last year as they won another all ireland) .
peter harte (mickeys nephew) niall mc kenna (eugene mc kenna son ) cant get better pedigree than that .
But we do have a bit of work to do,

The Red Hand will be in croker playing the dubs sooner than some think .

After we give both kerry a hammering in 03 and the dubs 05 and 08 ..

Whatever about 08,we were in the match in 05 big time.........I'm sure in the coming years The red hands will meet the Dubs again,but you will be leaving empty handed for a long time.....

Because when Dublin do well in the championship they stay there for a long time like in 1995.

that dublin team were coming to an end in 95 a lot of that squad were on the go for a long time , now hopefully we might get a couple of years out of this dublin team

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corrmullagh wrote:peter harte (mickeys nephew) niall mc kenna (eugene mc kenna son ) cant get better pedigree than that

I think only a fool would write Tyrone off, and i think that is the point of Corrmullaghs post. I am certainly no lover of the dark side but it is nothing but lazy journalism to say Tyrone will not challenge for major honouts for a long time. Tyrone appear to have been the victim of lazy journalism since their breakthrough in 2003 when Spillage coined the phrase "puke football", this was a man who attacked Frankie Bellew in the press before the All Ireland Final of 2002 let's not forget so whatever came out of his mouth should always be taken with a pinch of salt.
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As Boc pointed out Stevy O'Neill has committed himself to the cause for another year, I expect one or two retirements but not a major shake up. I couldn't possibly forecast for sure who will go and who will stay next year and wouldn't even rule out Dooher to be still part of the panel next year.

Some have spoken about greater co-operation between the underage managers and Mickey Harte, I hope this is the case but recent history of relationships between harte and underage managers would not be all that great. Mickey tends to do his own thing and surrounds himself with people in the circle of trust that don't tend to rock the boat or question his motives. Paddy Tally being one person who possibly over stepped his role in 2004 and was quickly shown the door.

2 more Tyrone greats joined Dooher in retirement as McGuigan and Jordan hang up the Red Hand shirt for 2012. They owe Tyrone nothing but what does their departure mean for Tyrone in the future? Who will be next as the great Tyrone team are slowly being dismantled? Perhaps our Tyrone posters have joined them in retirement?

I'm not really all that surprised that both these lads have called time on their inter county careers. There are others like Hub Hughes and Ricey that may follow suit - They will all be remembered forever as legends in Tyrone, Intregal parts of the glory years and they can do no more. At least the Armagh folk will sleep easy tonight now that Jordan has finally taken his bow