Tyrone v Derry 21/6/09

Good lord, we went a long time without mentioning Derrys tactics against Monaghan today, can't let that happen again!!!!

Seriously though, i think you're right there Boc in the fact that there is a bit of mind games floating around (are we seeing the start of Gaelic Footballs version of Arsene & Fergie?).

We beat Tyrone by playing a terrible style in 2006, we out Tyroned Tyrone if you will. There is a chance that we may try and play flowing football but i strongly doubt it. This is Derry and Tyrone, all this is about is winning and getting bragging rights, entertainment is simply a by product of this fixture!!!

Heard through the grapevine the team news I think the team lining out is:

1. Gillis

2. O Kane
3. Mc Guckin
3. Lockhart

5. SL Mc Goldrick
6. B Mc Goldrick
7. Mc Kaigue

8.Diver
9.Murphy

10. Mc Guigan
11. Lynch
12. Lynn

13. E Bradley
14. P Bradley
15. S Bradley

It'll be very very tough we are severely weakened, I will believe we can do it because if we do it without, Mc Cusker, Muldoon, Mc Cloy, Doherty, Mullan, Patsy Bradley, Collie Devlin, James Kielt and Paul Cartin it will be some achievement and with those 9 players to come back I'd hope for a long summer whatever the outcome.

i would'nt be at all suprised to see Mc Cusker start the game - by all accounts he is in with a shout of a starting place.

Still think Tyrone will win by 4 and Barry McGoldrick will be sent off.

bocerty wrote:i would'nt be at all suprised to see Mc Cusker start the game - by all accounts he is in with a shout of a starting place.

Still think Tyrone will win by 4 and Barry McGoldrick will be sent off.

Mc Cloy is injured from what I hear not even in contention for the bench.

I think I'm going to really enjoy this game. I doubt very much it will be the blood-bath that some are expecting (or hoping for) but it will definitely be a tough hard game. Two good teams and both missing key players. Two fine sides and a large chance of an Ulster title the prize.
Derry haven't proved anything yet while Tyrone are battle-hardened and I reckon they will be relishing the chance to flex their championship muscles against the Derry boys. So I can't see anything but a Tyrone win. It'll be close enough (2-3 points) but one of those games where you'd say that Tyrone were never in danger.
Derry are going to go a long way in this championship but not in the front door.

RM Tyrone have reported a clean bill of health so we should be at full strength

bocerty wrote:RM Tyrone have reported a clean bill of health so we should be at full strength

Oh, I though Super-D was doubtful? In that case it's looking even more likely that Tyrone will win.

RMDrive wrote:

bocerty wrote:RM Tyrone have reported a clean bill of health so we should be at full strength

Oh, I though Super-D was doubtful? In that case it's looking even more likely that Tyrone will win.

the last i heard he had taken a full part in training - his problem is not playing the problem is he is in pain for days after a match - i would think this is the last year we'll see him in a Tyrone jersey.

I agree RMD, if we manage to get over this we have a great chance of an Ulster. But we are missing a lot of key players which is worrying. One thing is though Derry seem to be focusing more on who they have than who they don't have. I would love to win Ulster this year but if we don't it is still another dew weeks for the qualifiers and we may get a good lock of the injured players back.

I still believe Derry will go far this year however the Tyrone match couldn't have come at any worse of a time for us, with no disrespect to Antrim or Cavan, it would be a lot preferable to meet either of these teams in the Semi and Tyrone in a final as it would give us a few weeks to less our injury list. At the same time, I wouldn't take everything that has been said at face value either I imagine most of the injury worries are true but some might be exaggerated.

One thing, DC has been trying to mould Derry on the Tyrone winning formula with every player able to take a score, in our last few Games, Our whole half back line, Geard O Kane, Both midfields and all full forwards have scored, our Half back line this year is especially the focal point of the Derry team especially the 2 mc Goldricks who are playing brilliant stuff at the minute (as you say Barry would need to watch his discipline at times)

Yes it will be an uphill struggle but it is not impossible and when you have a derby everything goes out the window.

Hmmmmmmmm .......... Emphasis on 9 first teamers missing......... get your excuses in first ............

I think I'd agree with your assessment there RMD, there won't be much in it at the end but Tyrone never looking like losing it. It's a derby game, one of the biggest around, and so it'll always be a tight game. But I can't see Tyrone not winning and going on to the Ulster final. If Derry had everybody available they'd have more of a chance but I still think Tyrone would win. They're just a step ahead of everyone in Ulster and I really don't think they'll want to lose to their dear neighbours, especially as there's basically an Ulster title waiting on the winners.

Bo**ox just lost another post - keep pressing the effing new topic button... Move them Admin

Basically I was just saying that if Derry are down 9 first teamers then they surely can't live with Tyrone - regardless of rivalry.

TO beat Tyrone you'd want to have your best team out, get every decision and bounce and play above yourself.

I can't see it - I expect Tyrone - a class act - to win pulling up.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't see it - I expect Tyrone - a class act - to win pulling up.

Oi! No horse references!

RMDrive wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't see it - I expect Tyrone - a class act - to win pulling up.

Oi! No horse references!

Sorry - by a distance then - oh .. eh no - not that either. In a canter - oooops - no! A country mile - ooooooohhh forget it....

Well that really should be the case JC, when you look at both teams that will be lining out and take into account Tyrone's level of experience. I just think the rivalry between them will be a bit of a factor. Also, you have to remember Tyrone generally don't peak until late in the summer, they'll not be at full pelt here I don't think, but will still win.

mid-mon man wrote:Well that really should be the case JC, when you look at both teams that will be lining out and take into account Tyrone's level of experience. I just think the rivalry between them will be a bit of a factor. Also, you have to remember Tyrone generally don't peak until late in the summer, they'll not be at full pelt here I don't think, but will still win.

To keep in the Spirit of thinks you mean Tyrone to win at a canter

Yeah, if they get their noses in front they won't be caught.

It'll be close until Tyrone pull away in the final furlong.

A win on Sunday will give Tyrone 6-7 weeks before they face another big challenge and, with that incentive, I can't see them losing.

B.O. is a a bit naive when she says that Cassidy is modelling Derry on Tyrone. Cassidy is well aware that he doesn't have the footballlers to beat Tyrone in an open game of football, so Derry will try and break up play as much as possible. The less time the ball is in play, the more chance Derry have of winning. Derry beat Tyrone in 2006 because they blocked/body-checked every Tyrone runner breaking out of defence that day, and completely prevented Tyrone from playing any football. That is still the best way to stop Tyrone, and Derry will try and do the same again on Sunday, although notice has been served on that tactic by now.

Derry are probably a bit fitter at this stage of the summer, but I don't think they will have the personnel to stop a hungry and full-strength Tyrone. Tyrone by 4 or 5 points, unless Paddy Bradley can take Gormley for 2-6.

mid-mon man wrote:Well that really should be the case JC, when you look at both teams that will be lining out and take into account Tyrone's level of experience. I just think the rivalry between them will be a bit of a factor. Also, you have to remember Tyrone generally don't peak until late in the summer, they'll not be at full pelt here I don't think, but will still win.

Yep MMM but people always use this rivalry thing for the underdog - surely it works both ways. I have a feeling that Tyrone are very keen to win via front door to underline their 'great team' claims. I also think seeing Kerry lose will have put an extra pep in their stride - even though they have nothing to prove against the Kingdom.

If Derry have 9 lads or so who wouldn't normally be starting they are gonna get a hiding surely??? If Dublin had 9 of their first out I wouldn't fancy them to beat the likes of Kildare or Laois - seriously now - not messing or wumming (for a change!)

Noones going for the photo finish then

Aye well as for the "9 players out" thing firstly, it's not really that straight-forward. How many of them would actually start, probably only about 4, so it's not as bad as it first sounds. Those few players are big losses yes, but I still think they'll put up a good fight. Cassidy will have them go out and play a certain way, perhaps stop some Tyrone players, and I don't think this will win them the game but will ensure there's not much in it at the end.

Good point though JC, it's true that Tyrone will be wanting to go the traditional route to the All-Ireland, and as TC says it's by far the easier route now as well which is an extra incentive. I think from the first round of qualifiers to the quarter-finals there are 5 games in 5 weeks, tough going and it'll take some team to get through that and make any impact on the latter stages of the AI.

MMM in fairness a majority of them would start and all would appear:

Mc Cusker
Muldoon
Mc Cloy
Doherty
Mullan
Patsy Bradley
Collie Devlin
James Kielt
Paul Cartin

Those in Bold would certainly start (also between whichever is on form at present between Mc Cloy and Mc Cusker I hear Mc Cloys out and Mc Cuskers is training but no confirmation.) As well James Conway but I doubt he would have made much of a showing. Patsy Bradley would be a certain starter this wee had it not been for injury. 4 of the missing personnel are mid-fields. Collie Devlin is out for the year I think, but would definitely start in corner forward had he been there.

Sure Niamh, you only need one full-back, so I was assuming only one of McCusker/McCloy would be starting. The other three I was thinking of were Doherty, Kielt and Muldoon(again him or Patsy Bradley). As you say, 4 midfielders out but where are you going to put them all? Devlin's a good wee player but as he's been out and will be for a while yet I didn't really include him as it's not like he's only missing this one game. Half-forward line looks grand to me as it is, as does half-back.

As I said MMM it'd be either Mc Cloy or Mc Cusker also Cartin would be starting had it not been for a recurring groin strain sure he was lined out to start against use.