Tyrone v Derry 21/6/09

very very honest there BE, i must say. Tyrone are so far ahead of ALL the other countys that there is no disgrace in losing to them. even when there not playing at full tilt. i thought that diver had a good game too and eoin bradley performed well too. the big problem as far as i can see is that Derry only have a plan A, all they do is kick it into paddy bradley and hope he works his magic, in all due respects to everyone here who say he had an off day the man was marked by abpout 3 tyrone players!! ball after ball was kicked in and conor gormley picked most of them up i mean where was this genius DC then? why didnt he change his tactics? simple derry even allowing for the missing players are around 4-5 years away from tyrone!

that brings me on to another point in that everyone eles is around 3-4 years behind tyrone, they are immence IMO. they are the closest thing to kilkenny in football. The hunger these guys have is unreal, no stars no induviduals just the team, i mean pemrose was one of the stand out players yesterday but he may not be heard much of again or maybe he will but the point is to these tyrone players it does not matter, all that matters to them is tyrone winning.

great team, wonderfull to watch, a joy for any gaa fan to be around when a team like that is going through there age of domenance............

Derry were severely weakened through injury and suspensions but here's something to ponder.

You spend all winter slogging your guts out and with the focus on an Ulster title and a good rattle at Sam. You go out in your first game - aware that you have been pushed around in the past - and settle that score. You set down your marker and not in a footballing sense. Fair enough.

Result - you have a few more injuries and you have lost two key players through suspension. Next time out you are down 7 or 8 key men and are soundly beaten.

As a group of players and management -would you not be questioning your attitude, approach to the games and your mindset this morning?

bald eagle wrote:

Lochgarman wrote:I'd like to apologise to Bald Eagle. I didn't realise that on this site we're only allowed to comment on our own teams. I have on another thread but didn't think it was appropriate on a football thread. I'd also like to apologise for offending the sensitive souls of Derry but as I've watched their two games so far I really have nothing positive to say. I don't think, Bald Eagle, that you need worry about Derry players being up for the fight, it seems that's the only thing their up for.

I haven't seen too many comments from you about how Wexford done against Kildare funny enough. Thank you for the appology, now you can start posting something worth reading.

Good God man try to not get hysterical, you yourself said you felt ashamed to see what Derry did yesterday which is a lot worse than anything I said. Your hypocrisy is silly. I love football and hate to see what your team has resorted to in the last two games. it's unnecessary and will only end in humiliation through having men sent off or a heavy defeat. yesterday Derry got both. They have some fine footballers and in Paddy B someone who lights up a football field with points from everywhere and is a joy to watch. Compare that to trying to headbutt someone. WExford were inept against Kildare and it was sad to see such a come down after last year. But I never, ever felt ashamed by watching a Wexford team. Derry have wasted their whole year by resorting to negative tactics and thuggery and nobody should hold back when voicing their opinion when you see a sport they love being embarrassed like it was yesterday. Tyrone are magnificent not only because of their football but also because of their attitude. They walk off the field with their heads held high. Can the same be said for Derry?

I think it was Jayo who said Tyrone won pulling up

Lol, BE you posted that on main board! everyone will be like wtf?!

BE only read your post honest opinion better than any if the articles written in any paper i read today fair play to you.
i can'y comment as i didn't see the match on route to a hiding in nowlan park yesterday where we couldn't even get cylincal.
Good post.

One thing that amazed me though after the game, was how some pundits were saying how clever Tyrone were in restricting P Bradley by deploying a sweeper, but when we did it we were being really negative and horrible to watch! I'm probably reading too much into that though. What this does highlight though, yet again, is Derry's over-reliance on Bradley. I know Eoin stepped up a bit and chipped in with 4 pts, but against the likes of Tyrone you need your talismanic forward to be at his best and making a good contribution. When he's being double-marked like that of course it's very difficult, but this is where Derry's extra man must come into play. But Tyrone knew they could do this as there were no other threats from Derry. Of course the likes of Kielt being injured for Derry was a big loss, but I don't think if he was there he'd have been fit to make an impact against Tyrone. For all the talk of all the players being used in the league, Derry are still a couple of big forwards from being up there with Tyrone. But as has been said, Tyrone are way ahead of the rest of us and there's no big shame in losing.

Good point there Rich about Tyrone having no individuals but are a team, you could take several of their regular starters out they'd still play the same way and be as good. Of course they have fantastic strength in depth to be able to do this, but moreso it's the system they play. Every player on the panel knows the way in which they play, and any of them can come on and fit in seemlessly, doing a great job. Just look at Sean O'Neill yesterday who had only came on and scored a brilliant point. And on a day where the full-forward line of multiple all-stars (Mugsy Cavanagh and O'Neill) fail to light up the game, others like T McGuigan and Penrose step up and take on the scoring responsibility. And of course their scores come from all over with the likes of Harte and Jordan regularly coming forward to chip in with a few points, and then you've Hub Hughes having one of his best games in a long while and looking in his best shape ever. It's very hard to stop them when they have such class all over the pitch and scores coming from all sectors, if Tyrone play like they can(and they haven't been near that yet) I can't see them being stopped this year, especially when you look at how the competition is playing.

Bright-Oak wrote:

I think it was Jayo who said Tyrone won pulling up

Lol, BE you posted that on main board! everyone will be like wtf?!

Oh aye, i forgot to ammend that!!! I hope they enquire about it now!!!

bald eagle wrote:

I have never held back in slating what i perceive to be foul and unjust play so just where am i showing hypocrisy? During my playing career for club and county i never received a booking or a sending off, i played the game as hard as anyone but i can't stand cynical play. Are you trying to have a go at me for being honest?

I was not ashamed by Derry but by the antics that some players felt they had to resort to, there's a big difference trust me!

I am Derrys biggest fan and their biggest realist, you have picked out what you want to see in my post and not bothered your arse to post an honest opinion on your own countys performances and chances over the past 2 weekends, at least i've had the balls to get my comments on my own county across to everyone on here, not just half a line when goaded.

One,I´ve just joined the site and therefore just started posting. So you can stop the silly, childish,"why don´t you criticise your own county" nonsense. Second I can make comments on what I like. I´ve tried to be honest, just as you have, but this seems to have really upset you, which I don´t understand. I think you´re being overly sensitive. Thirdly I think you´re hypocritical in your reluctance to let other people criticise what they disliked in the match and the performance of your county. AND you criticise me for not having a go at Wexford, when I did, and then for picking out certain points in your post whilst doing exactly that with mine. More hypocrisy I think. You were brutally honest about Derry´s performance and you seem to think that needs balls. Nonsense! You should be brutally honest because if you are, as you said, an ex-county player, Derry will need that honesty to get them out of the mire they´re in.
RE WExford. We were terrible, not just in the match against Kildare but throughout the league as the results have shown. I´m really disappointed in the performances but I don´t think we have all that many good players and I don´t expect a lot.
To have a go at me just because I pointed out the poor performance and attitude of Derry is, well, a bit silly. It´s ok for you but not me. Why?

Is anyone totally oblivious to DC's 'gameplan'. He was supposed top be our saving grace this year, he was 'tactically minded' and 'ruthless', if you weren't playing you were coming off.

So, why;

1. When we were getting roasted in Midfield did Patsy Bradlley not come on to try and attack? He could have come on in MF and allowed Barry Mc Goldrick to go to CHB, and him and Sean Leo could have worked the ball up the field, allow B Mc Guigan up to the half forward line where we were in dire need of help.

2. Why was Kevin Mc Cloy sitting on the sub bench for 70 minutes when Tyrone half forwards were kicking points for the craic- also when Derry needed leadership why was he not put on?! Last years captain would have been a good boost, and he put in a man of the match performance last day out, he can feel aggrieved and rightly so.

3. Eda Lynn and Eoghan Brown stayed on for 60 minutes?! I admit Brown was trying, by Lynn was taken to the cleaners he wasn't even being marked closely and he was still unable to put up any sort of showing.

4. Subs being made with ten minutes to go when we are 6 points down? Why put Caolan O Boyle into full forward when in Club football he has shown that he is a good fielder who can catch and score.

5. Seamus Bradley came on and kicked a fine point, why was he not utilised better? When PB was getting marked by 2-3 men, why not take advantage of the free players and use him to kick points.


I know we missed Doc in Midfield as well as Muldoon and Kielt in the half forwards (Brian Mullan was also a player who could have come onto kick a point or 2), but I genuinely though that even with these played missing we could have come with in a couple of points and at least put up a fight. Derry weren't interested they just reverted to type.

FAO Boc...Is Tommy Mc Guigan eye-gouging? It looks like he is but I would say he was just pushing Divers head. I'm not trying to rake up any **** because it wasn't a dirty match but I just want to show you how misleading a still image can be.

I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

As they say, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT........DON'T READ IT!!!!!

bald eagle wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

As they say, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT........DON'T READ IT!!!!!

ok sorry but as I always say - there's always tomorrow and as the Gardai constantly tell me 'time to move on there' .......

Bright-Oak wrote:

FAO Boc...Is Tommy Mc Guigan eye-gouging? It looks like he is but I would say he was just pushing Divers head. I'm not trying to rake up any **** because it wasn't a dirty match but I just want to show you how misleading a still image can be.

Niamh - in comparison to the picture of Doc gouging this one is pretty inconclusive - the one of Doc was from a beetr angle and there was no doubt what he was at. The picture you have selected here is inclonclusive in my book - can you tell were his fingers are because i cant.................

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

Jayo one minute your not happy becuase no one is posting and now your complaining about people actually posting - whats to be be - to post or not to post??????????

bocerty wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

Jayo one minute your not happy becuase no one is posting and now your complaining about people actually posting - whats to be be - to post or not to post??????????

Jeeze ye are fierce thick somtimes ..............

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

bocerty wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

Jayo one minute your not happy becuase no one is posting and now your complaining about people actually posting - whats to be be - to post or not to post??????????

Jeeze ye are fierce thick somtimes ..............

Yeah it's Boc that has the issue here all right

RMDrive wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

bocerty wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can't wait for the analysis on this match to be over ..............

Jayo one minute your not happy becuase no one is posting and now your complaining about people actually posting - whats to be be - to post or not to post??????????

Jeeze ye are fierce thick somtimes ..............

Yeah it's Boc that has the issue here all right

What is the issue?! If you don't want to talk about Derry and Tyrone you don't have to come into the thread. What ever happened to freedom of speech.

Issue seems to be people with very thin skins .......

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Issue seems to be people with very thin skins .......

either that or

Of course I do sometimes - but its not an anti Ulster bias or anything - I do it to everyone - equally!!!

And probably to myself or Dublin more than anyone .... I don't have any issue - but I suppose when you're explaining you are losing ....

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Of course I do sometimes - but its not an anti Ulster bias or anything - I do it to everyone - equally!!!

And probably to myself or Dublin more than anyone .... I don't have any issue - but I suppose when you're explaining you are losing ....

*where's the cough, cough smilie*

Unknowingly JC you have become a little over-focused on Ulster. Maybe it's the lack of good championship games, maybe it's the blue mist that has descended but there has been a definite Ulster leaning to your recent posts.
There problem is that there aren't enough Dubs around!!