Re: Tyrone v Derry 21/6/09

Guest Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:38 pm

Derry Team

1 Barry Gillis
2 Kevin McGuckin
3 Sean M Lockhart
4 Gerard O Kane
5 Chrissy McKaigue
6 Barry McGuigan
7 Sean Leo McGoldrick
8 Barry McGoldrick
9 Joe Diver
10 Eoghan Brown
11 Paul Murphy
12 Enda Lynn
13 Eoin Bradley
14 Paddy Bradley
15 Mark Lynch

16 John Deighan
17 Kevin McCloy
18 Dermot McBride
19 Joe Keenan
20 Brian Og McAlary
21 Niall McCusker
22 Patsy Bradley
23 Gavin McShane
24 Paul Young
25 Caolan O Boyle
26 Danny Mulholland
27 Seamus Bradley

**bocerty** Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:17 pm

i've read several interviews coming out of the Derry camp over the last day or two and everyone of those interviewed has gone out of their way to emphasise the fact that they will play football against Tyrone - what i read from that is that they no intention of playing football they are going to go out to do exactly what they did against Monaghan and it ain't going to be pretty.

Be warned Loyal - best if you take the dog for a walk around 2pm tomorrow Very Happy

Guest Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:11 pm

Best of luck Derry, not that you will need it.

Sunday is officially the longest day of the year, I predict that it will be a long day for ye Derry folks - celebating long into Monday morning.

Guest Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:21 pm

bocerty wrote:i've read several interviews coming out of the Derry over the last day or two and everyone of those interviewed has gone out of their way to emphasise the fact that they will play football against Tyrone - what i read from that is that they no intention of playing football they are going to go out to do exactly what they did against Monaghan and it ain't going to be pretty.

Be warned Loyal - best if you take the dog for a walk around 2pm tomorrow

No she has to cook me my dinner! Wink

Derry are the Barcelona of Gaelic Football. No doubt Tyrone will adopt their usual ugly tactics. And if they don't work,they will accuse of Derry of being dirty just like in 1996 when Meath beat them. A win for Derry is a win for football, a win for Tyrone is a win for Tyrone.

**mid-mon man** Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:51 pm

When exactly did this change of heart about Derry occur Loyal? And what was the catalyst?

Guest Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:15 pm

I've always looked upon Derry as my third county (after Meath and Clare) MMM. I remember Clones in 1997 when they beat Meath in the final of the U21s. I was impressed that day and they have grown on me through time.

Really hope they do the business tomorrow. Like I say, a win for Derry is a win for Gaelic Football, a win for Tyrone is a win for Tyrone.

**Jayo Cluxton** Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:46 pm

[size=24][b]I can't wait for this game
to be over

Guest Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:22 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote:[size=24][b]I can't wait for this game
to be over

Think you were saying that.

**patrique** Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:52 pm

In the second minute Cavanagh is trying to get someone booked.

Penrose leading in dives, after 9 and 34 minutes.

Tyrone man booked for nothing after 24 minutes for tackling McKaigue.

After 19 minutes Derry didn't foul Jordan and he blasted wide, surely some message here for all footballers. No criticism of Jordan here, as he has been Tyrone's best player for 5 years.

Hughes is having a great game.

Overall however, All Ireland champs V contenders, it pales in comparison to last night's hurling, featuring all Ireland champs V Contenders.

**patrique** Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:47 pm

Is Ulster the weakest province? I hope so, because I would hate to think football can be worse than this.

Congratulations to Tyrone but they will need massive improvement to beat Cavan or Antrim.

**Lochgarman** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:34 pm

What a horrible game. Derry should have a go at playing football, they might enjoy it.

Guest Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:08 pm

No excuses we were pure ****, not cross or disappointed by the result, probably lucky to get off so lightly, but disgusted at the lack of belief the team showed in the Jersey, Joe Diver oozed passion, the rest didn't even want to know. Tyrone aren't all Ireland champions for nothing, they really are a classy outfit, some fine points kicked by Tommy Mc Guigan. Back to the drawing board for us. Sad

Going to watch the match again taped it on RTE be back on later with my proper analysis.

**Jayo Cluxton** Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:10 pm

I am afraid to post anything about Ulster now cos RMD is giving out!!! Overall a very poor game which Tyrone won pulling up - as predicted. Derry were simply awful and I have never seen P Bradley play so poorly. Tyrone had all the key men - Jordan and Hughes especially and Dooher rowed in - McGuigan was good, Penrose a bit hit and miss but got a couple of nice points.

What is really disapponting is the standard of football all over the country this season. It is awful really.

**GAA-Fan** Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:12 pm

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I am afraid to post anything about Ulster now cos RMD is giving out!!! Overall a very poor game which Tyrone won pulling up - as predicted. Derry were simply awful and I have never seen P Bradley play so poorly. Tyrone had all the key men - Jordan and Hughes especially and Dooher rowed in - McGuigan was good, Penrose a bit hit and miss but got a couple of nice points.

What is really disapponting is the standard of football all over the country this season. It is awful really.

Its getting worse all over. And I think the GAA have shot themselves in the foot this year by getting the big teams in the provinces to play against each other in the opening games. Mayo are in a great position as the teams who come through the qualifiers are going to be tired whereas they would have only played one big game.

Guest Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:50 pm

Ok so now I have watched the game again on TV.

I think that Derry can draw some positives believe it or not from this game...

1. The full back line today was immense, Lockhart,Mc Guckin and Geard O Kane were fantastic, holding Mulligan, O Neill and Cavanagh to just 2 points between the 3 players speaks volumes.

2. Winning possession in midfield, Diver was great today he caught a lot of clean ball, unfortunately he is very much one dimensional and can't offer much with it, he runs up the field into 3 Tyrone players more often than not. In fact twice in the first half he stormed up the field and the Tyrone defence sort of opened for him, and he inevitably lost possession, however had that been Muldoon, Kielt or a Bradley it would have been top corner. Fair dues to him but he absolutely roasted Mc Ginley in there,

Also..there were a lot of things to look back on and try to figure out what went wrong.

1. I think that from today's performance the balance is the Derry team is very much in favour of the defenders, from all the forwards that were on only Eoin Bradley made any sort of positive impact, PB was marked out of the game by 2 or 3 men but unlike Tyrone Derry have no one else to step in and take responsibility when the s*** hits the fan and their main men are tied up.

2. Derry have too many players that are only club players, Eoghan Brown (who had a good enough day in comparison with Lynn who I though was awful and stayed on far too long), Lynn, Murphy etc aren't cut out for county football against the best in the country.

3. Damien Cassidy makes his subs too late, how Lynn stayed on as long as he did is beyond me. Very much a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

4. We have NO half forward line at all, I would say most minor half forward lines would wipe the floor with our's. Very much missed Muldoon and Kielt in this aspect.

On the whole it was disappointing, had Eoin Bradley hit the onion bag thon time opposed to blasting it over the bar who knows, we might have got within touching distance but Tyrone would have inevitably upped it a gear. Derry didn't seem up for it at all, if they can't get motivates when playing the arch nemesis it makes you question what will motivate them! It wasn't a dirty match at all, bar the handbags at the end, Kevin Mc Guckin very unfortunate to get sent off. Overall the ref was ok, was quite inconsistent at times regarding minor fouls like pushing in the back, which makes you wonder when should a ref blow up a push, as I would say it happens easily 40 times in a match the rule books states this is a foul, but do you blow it up ever time? One think that did anger me was when Derry were on the attack and the Referee noticed a '45 at the other end, this was very poor communication from the officials. I thought Tyrone were fantastic, Tommy Mc Guigan, Penrose and Hughes were outstanding, and the strength of the bench can't be argued. The only worry for Tyrone would be Sean Cavanagh's form which has dipped of late, my only other criticism of him would be that he gets away with over carrying all the time, he puts the ball under his arm and takes about 7 steps! Geard O Kane kept a tight ship today, so I think it's unfair to say that Cavanagh's form is poor at the same time though as it takes a lot of credit from O Kane who did a powerful job.

At the end of the day, Derry can't be too annoyed we were outclassed by in my opinion the best team in the country and they aren't given that title lightly. Being from Derry it's painful to be slaughtered by Tyrone but it's even harder to admit that they are light years ahead of us and the rest of the province, not to mention both Connaght and Leinster. It is refreshing to see Cork come in to try and break the duopoly.

Lastly, the draw for the 2nd round qualifiers takes place next week, from the group one winners I would worry most about getting the winner of Armagh/Monaghan, I hope to get a kind draw to allow us more time to lighten the injury list. We still can regroup and have a say in the championship. I wouldn't write us off just yet, but I wouldn't be bumming and blowing about us either. With the injured players and Ulster's two most wanted back in the fold it should give us a boost, in the words of D:ream things can only better!!

Doire Abú...

**Lochgarman** Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:55 pm

WOW. That is some analysis. But, really, the bottom line is they scored 7 points.

Guest Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:00 am

Lochgarman wrote:WOW. That is some analysis. But, really, the bottom line is they scored 7 points.

Yeah Bright-Oak, I would save that post. You've had many great posts but that one would be one of the best. Well done, excellent reading. I especially liked: "Very much a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!"

Guest Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:00 am

Lochgarman wrote:WOW. That is some analysis. But, really, the bottom line is they scored 7 points.

No that is far from the bottom line. If you had even bothered to read my analysis you would see that wasn't the bottom line, the bottom line is Tyrone have people like Penrose and Hughes who can step up to the plate when the **** hits the fan, we don't and they have better players fact!

Guest Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:01 am

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:
Lochgarman wrote:WOW. That is some analysis. But, really, the bottom line is they scored 7 points.

Yeah Bright-Oak, I would save that post. You've had many great posts but that one would be one of the best. Well done, excellent reading. I especially liked: "Very much a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted!"

, I threw that cliché in for you Loyal! Wink

**bocerty** Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:58 am

Bright-Oak wrote:Ok so now I have watched the game again on TV.

I think that Derry can draw some positives believe it or not from this game...

1. The full back line today was immense, Lockhart,Mc Guckin and Geard O Kane were fantastic, holding Mulligan, O Neill and Cavanagh to just 2 points between the 3 players speaks volumes.

Doire Abú...

Niamh i suggest you watch the game again if you think your full back line was immense - though i like your spin on the holding them to two points bit. Firstly McGuckin was marking Penrose and how he was still on the field at the time of his sending off is beyond me - Penrose roasted him the whole day long. O'Neill got a fair amount of change out of Lockhart as well he was out in front most of the time though he did only get one point he had by far the better of Lockhart. O'Kane was the only one of the 3 who comes out of the game with some credit for the job he done on Cavanagh.

To suggest your fullback line was immense was laughable Niamh and if thats what you really think good luck to you.

And i hate to mention the elephant in the room but what about McGuigans headbutt on Dooher - a disgraceful act - Brolly and the boys did not mention it and neither did the guys on the Sunday game.

Guest Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:03 am

bocerty wrote:
Bright-Oak wrote:Ok so now I have watched the game again on TV.

I think that Derry can draw some positives believe it or not from this game...

1. The full back line today was immense, Lockhart,Mc Guckin and Geard O Kane were fantastic, holding Mulligan, O Neill and Cavanagh to just 2 points between the 3 players speaks volumes.

Doire Abú...

Niamh i suggest you watch the game again if you think your full back line was immense - though i like your spin on the holding them to two points bit. Firstly McGuckin was marking Penrose and how he was still on the field at the time of his sending off is beyond me - Penrose roasted him the whole day long. O'Neill got a fair amount of change out of Lockhart as well he was out in front most of the time though he did only get one point he had by far the better of Lockhart. O'Kane was the only one of the 3 who comes out of the game with some credit for the job he done on Cavanagh.

To suggest your fullback line was immense was laughable Niamh and if thats what you really think good luck to you.

And i hate to mention the elephant in the room but what about McGuigans headbutt on Dooher - a disgraceful act - Brolly and the boys did not mention it and neither did the guys on the Sunday game.

I never seen the incident Boc so can't comment on it.

I though Lockhart did a powerful job on O Neill and O Kane was good on Cavanagh. Take from that what you will.

**Lochgarman** Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:06 am

Eeeehhhh that's basically what I said. Tyrone have players who can score when under pressure while Derry don't. Bottom line, a forward line that can score 7 points in 70 mins of football is dreadful. They're also a nasty little team who have done nothing to endear themselve to anyone in the country. Still, I loved the analysis.

**bald eagle** Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:01 am

Right, i have only seen snippets of other posts on here so i appologise if i cover old ground. I am willing to comment on my own countys defeat, unlike some other posters on here (some new) that are only too happy to slag off other sides in an attempt to deflect attention.

OK, firstly well done to Tyrone on a fantastic performance, injuries and suspensions are not an excuse for Derry display. I think it was Jayo who said Tyrone won pulling up, well i totally disagree with that comment as to pull up they would have to have been under pressure. Tyrone dominated the game from 10 minutes on and simply only gave Derry small snippets.

Starting with some positives, the Diver/Hughes battle was simply great to watch, ok Hughes won hands down in the end but Diver for me was Derrys best player by a mile. He simply never gave up and that's what i expect from a Derry player in a Tyrone game. Eoin Bradley is another Derry player who i thought had a good game, not the best but he tried like mad and was certainly the best of the 3 Bradleys on the pitch.

Now, have Derry improved from last year? In simple terms no. This year from me is already a failure as the main goal was an Ulster Championship, that would have shown Ireland that we had a damn good side and that were ready to compete and if truth be told we got stuffed by easily the best side in Ireland at the moment.

The players that Tyrone have at their disposal are just wonderful, when you can take Mulligan off and bring on Dooher it just tells you the difference between us. I must say, Muggsy looks as good as he has in years - i feel with his display yesterday and the one against Armagh that he could be an '09 All Star in waiting.

In my eyes what Derry have to do now is write off 2009 and come up with at least 3 different styles of play. We are too easy to beat and STILL too reliant on PB, who i must say done ok considering there were 2 players on him. Tyrone dropped a player back to cover the supply into Bradley, and what did Derry do? Kept playing the same ball in. We looked dangerous when we ignored Bradley rather than try and feed him and it's something that we'll have to do more if we are to succeed in the future. When teams put an extra man back on PB, we have a spare man elsewere and we have to utilise that, especially against Tyrone and other sides a level below them (which we are not)

We were supposed to see the tactical genious against the young pretender yesterday, unfortunately the master didn't even have to scratch his beard. I have no doubt that in DC we have a brilliant manager, now we need to have the players to step up to the plate. I was really disappointed with some of his moves and switches yesterday, can someone tell me what was the point in putting on young O'Boyle for the last few minutes in the full forward line when we were getting eat alive? What did DC think he would learn from that? Mark Lynch is a player who has been touted for years in Derry and the next this, the next that, but on the county side i feel he has never produced and would feel a lot happier if he was no longer in the side. He is without doubt the most over hyped player in Derry. Kevin McCloy sat on the bench all game, now tell me why he did not get put on when we needed shoring up?

I hoped we would see a clean, hard Derry against Tyrone, and that no-one would have the chance to slate us like they did in the QF, but i was saddened to see some of the things i did. Young McGuigian in my eyes is a very lucky boy he didn't see red for what he done to Dooher. I don't know if anyone else saw it but he did mean to lay the nut in Dooher and should've got lined. He's not the only one, there were others that should've walked also in my view. I cannot abide a team getting dirty when they are getting stuffed, and yesterday i was really ashamed looking at the antics of some of our players in the latter stages.

That reminded me of the great Lavey club sides of the 90's and early 2000s, if they were losing with 10 to go, they got cute and cynical in a hope the opposition would lose their disipline and get a man lined or that they would lose their focus and let Lavey in to steal the victory. The big difference though is that Lavey never lost their composure or a player, they knew what they were at and they were damn good at it. They didn't win friends but they won plenty of Championships for it because they were a good team, Derry on the other hand are not a good team. What Derry done in the latter stages was cowardly and borne out of frustration.

We were outclassed in Casement, and will be quite rightly dubbed as underachievers. I do not think we are underachievers, we do net deserve that tag as in my honest opinion we are over-rated and over-hyped. Derry will not achieve anything until they get forwards and midfielders that can pick scores off from over 40 yards and , Jarlath Burns said, do the dirty horrible work of running back and defending when you don't have the ball. I always tell my players that is much easier to run when your team has possession, it shows how much you want a game when you don't have it that matters.

I expect my Derry teams to run through walls when they play Tyrone, truth be told we wouldn't have broken polystyrene in Casement yesterday. Now i'm going to see the real character of this Derry team, and just who is up for the fight!

**Lochgarman** Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:55 am

I'd like to apologise to Bald Eagle. I didn't realise that on this site we're only allowed to comment on our own teams. I have on another thread but didn't think it was appropriate on a football thread. I'd also like to apologise for offending the sensitive souls of Derry but as I've watched their two games so far I really have nothing positive to say. I don't think, Bald Eagle, that you need worry about Derry players being up for the fight, it seems that's the only thing their up for.

**bald eagle** Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:00 am

Lochgarman wrote:I'd like to apologise to Bald Eagle. I didn't realise that on this site we're only allowed to comment on our own teams. I have on another thread but didn't think it was appropriate on a football thread. I'd also like to apologise for offending the sensitive souls of Derry but as I've watched their two games so far I really have nothing positive to say. I don't think, Bald Eagle, that you need worry about Derry players being up for the fight, it seems that's the only thing their up for.

I haven't seen too many comments from you about how Wexford done against Kildare funny enough. Thank you for the appology, now you can start posting something worth reading.

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