Tyrone GT news

Havent heard of some of them on a field - especially the last one. Sectarian abuse on a GAA pitch is nonsense to me and dunno why people get worked up about it at all.

Parouisa wrote:Sectarian abuse on a GAA pitch is nonsense to me and dunno why people get worked up about it at all.

Because you've never been a victim of sectarianism.

All of the acts I mentioned are common, sadly.

Well apparently all GAA players are supposed to be Gaels so if I was getting sectarian abuse I would laugh it off with the contempt it deserves - aside from the complete idiocy and ignorance of it. I would certainly not go spitting at a guy for it. He deserves symapthy rather than saliva!

I am not sure calling someone a Nordie this that or the other is sectarian. Its like being called a Jackeen f****er or a Dublin w***er. No big deal and says more about the name caller really.

And I have been called a Free State basterd on more than one occasion and I would laugh it off cos thats what it is - laughable. But some people love to be victims.

Parouisa wrote: I am not sure calling someone a Nordie this that or the other is sectarian. Its like being called a Jackeen f****er or a Dublin w***er. No big deal and says more about the name caller really.

Except no-one ever shot at you for being a 'Dublin *******'. Or beat you up on your way to work/school/training/mass. Or rejected you for jobs. Or burnt you out of your home. The verbals become a bigger deal when that happens.

I think your stance is naive here, Par, and your dismissal ('some people like to be victims') of the suffering some people have gone through is disappointing.

We are taking about taunts on a football pitch here - nothing else. Nothing. Don't paint it as something it isn't TC - something you are very good at. Spitting at someone - as your players have done a fair bit - is reprehensible and beneath contempt and cannot be explained or reasoned away with a history lesson that is not relevant in this context.

Our players have done a fair bit? What other examples can you think of?

I'm not changing anything. I'm pointing out that you think words are harmless and can be used in isolation - I'm saying that when you have suffered as a result of those sentiments (same as racism etc), they carry more weight.

Well a player and a fan - apologies.

I think for any player to spit at someone and say they suffered sectarian abuse (from a GAA player) in an attempt to condone a disgusting act is at best disingenuous. Some would try to condone it - as you are - I find it offensive.

Parouisa wrote:Well a player and a fan - apologies.

I think for any player to spit at someone and say they suffered sectarian abuse (from a GAA player) in an attempt to condone a disgusting act is at best disingenuous. Some would try to condone it - as you are - I find it offensive.

Thanks for the retraction on the accusation at Tyrone players.

I'm not condoning anything - spitting is disgusting. I'm introducing perspective, and feel that many forms of verbal abuse are worse. I feel like I've made my points in that regard, and will leave it at that.

Lads, Lads calm down here a minute. I'm entering this as a neutral and can see (sort of ) both takes on the issue. TC is spot on with his comments and I can see a certain part of Jayo's argument, except that his views are constrained within the limits of "mild local abuse"...Trust me, there are a certain type of player out there who will stop at nothing in dredging the barrel of personal insult...
Whether the team involved have a local historian** adept at locating family skeletons or not, some of the sledging is vicious....

A poor, lowly and cowardly trend. Sledging and spitting need to be stamped on...Hard.

** See Fenagh thread.

Tyrone goalkeeper John Devine has announced his retirement from inter-county football.

The 29-year-old Devine, who has won three All-Ireland Championship medals, will continue to play for his club side Errigal Ciaran.

Since making his debut in 2002 under Art McRory and Eugene McKenna, Devine has been an ever present member of the Senior County squad.

"As well a top keeper, John is a great person," said Tyrone boss Mickey Harte.

"He has had a tremendous presence within the squad and his influence will be missed.

"John was a vital part of all our All-Ireland successes and I wish him the best for the future as he continues his club career."

For several years, Devine competed for the number one shirt with Pascal O'Connell.

Former Dungannon Swifts keeper Niall Morgan has been Tyrone's regular keeper in this year's Football League.

- Taken from BBC

A good goalkeeper, although he was very much 3rd choice at the moment. With Pascal being 34, perhaps another opportunity to compete with Niall Morgan would have come his way in the next year or so, but obviously John felt that 11 seasons was enough anyway.

He was unlucky in some regards: having been first choice in 2003, he had lost his place for '05 but regained it in 2008 and was selected to play in the AI. The death of his father the day before the final meant that he was at home on that day.

All the best in retirement John.

Thomas Clarke wrote:A good goalkeeper, although he was very much 3rd choice at the moment. With Pascal being 34, perhaps another opportunity to compete with Niall Morgan would have come his way in the next year or so, but obviously John felt that 11 seasons was enough anyway.

He was unlucky in some regards: having been first choice in 2003, he had lost his place for '05 but regained it in 2008 and was selected to play in the AI. The death of his father the day before the final meant that he was at home on that day.

All the best in retirement John.

The croupier in the game of life occasionally fires out some bad hands and John drew one of them. However, a fulfilling career, great memories, Celtic crosses and well respected throughout Gaeldom. Could you want more?

Thomas Clarke wrote:

Parouisa wrote:I accept and agree with a lot of that TC but while I have no time for sledging, verbals etc to me spitting is a graver and much more disgusting offence and I don't think its acceptable to try to defend it on any basis not least because of verbal abuse.

Would you say that spitting is worse than racial abuse?

Personally, i think that spitting is over-rated as a form of insult.

Let me try this one on you. You are having a game of five a side or similar with a group you would consider close friends. Match gets a tad over competitive and tackles get a tad keen. To a point where you are hacked From behind and you throw back the arm in retaliation connecting with your mate in the "face".
Take two scenarios he reacts by
1) throwing a box(albeit non bone breaking)
2) gobbing a phlegmball in your face

In which scenario are youre likely to be laughing about it over a pint the following friday night

Boxtyeater wrote:

Thomas Clarke wrote:A good goalkeeper, although he was very much 3rd choice at the moment. With Pascal being 34, perhaps another opportunity to compete with Niall Morgan would have come his way in the next year or so, but obviously John felt that 11 seasons was enough anyway.

He was unlucky in some regards: having been first choice in 2003, he had lost his place for '05 but regained it in 2008 and was selected to play in the AI. The death of his father the day before the final meant that he was at home on that day.

All the best in retirement John.

The croupier in the game of life occasionally fires out some bad hands and John drew one of them. However, a fulfilling career, great memories, Celtic crosses and well respected throughout Gaeldom. Could you want more?

one of lifes good guys by all acounts and one that Mickey would have had few problems managing, no ego no baggage.

He has boviosuly seen the writing on the wall as far as his chances are off being number 1 or even 2, enjoy the retirement John, you had some rotten luck when you were playing but never complained just got on with it.

Thomas Clarke wrote:

Parouisa wrote:Disagree. Spitting is an obnoxious and vile act and should not be written off as it doesn't harm anyone! It is the action of a total scumbag and anyone who does it is beneath contempt.

I'm not writing it off - i'm just saying racial abuse, sectarian abuse, acts and threats of violence (including rape against girls) and other such things that happen on a field are more serious.

On the subject of Racial Hatred



'THERE ARE ANY AMOUNT OF N.IGGERS LIVING HEREABOUTS AND WE IRISH AS A RULE DON'T CARE FOR COMING TOO MUCH INTO CONTACT WITH THOSE ABSURD FOLKS'




Thomas James "Tom" Clarke (Tomás Séamus Ó Cléirigh) Extract from a letter written in New York 1900

OMAR wrote:
On the subject of Racial Hatred

'THERE ARE ANY AMOUNT OF N.IGGERS LIVING HEREABOUTS AND WE IRISH AS A RULE DON'T CARE FOR COMING TOO MUCH INTO CONTACT WITH THOSE ABSURD FOLKS'

Thomas James "Tom" Clarke (Tomás Séamus Ó Cléirigh) Extract from a letter written in New York 1900

It's good to see the Irish have become so much more welcoming/accepting in the intervening 113 years....

Thomas Clarke wrote:

OMAR wrote:
On the subject of Racial Hatred

'THERE ARE ANY AMOUNT OF N.IGGERS LIVING HEREABOUTS AND WE IRISH AS A RULE DON'T CARE FOR COMING TOO MUCH INTO CONTACT WITH THOSE ABSURD FOLKS'

Thomas James "Tom" Clarke (Tomás Séamus Ó Cléirigh) Extract from a letter written in New York 1900

It's good to see the Irish have become so much more welcoming/accepting in the intervening 113 years....

Was he Irish ?

This is the Tyrone side that has been tasked with cleaning up Cork's mess for them on Sunday:

1 Niall Morgan
2 Aidan McCrory
3 Justin McMahon
4 Cathal McCarron
5 Ryan McKenna
6 Joe McMahon
7 Ronan McNamee
8 Colm Cavanagh
9 Sean Cavanagh
10 Patrick McNiece
11 Peter Harte
12 Mark Donnelly
13 Darren McCurry
14 Stephen O'Neill
15 Ronan O'Neill

16 Pascal McConnell
17 Conor Clarke
18 Matthew Donnelly
19 Conor Gormley
20 Conan Grugan
21 Plunkett Kane
22 Connor McAliskey
23 Tiernan McCann
24 Ciaran McGinley
25 Michael Murphy
26 Martin Penrose

Mickey has made a couple of changes, with Justin McMahon back form injury in defence, and the 2 small but talented U21s in the full forward line. O'Neill needs games as he is still looking sluggish having just returned from tearing his cruciate, while McCurry also missed most of the league with injury.

Thinking about what would line out against Donegal if everyone was fit, I'd say that we are missing Conor Clarke, Conor Gormley, Mattie Donnelly, and Kyle Coney from our first 15. Conor McAliskey, Dermot Carlin, Aidan Cassidy and Martin Penrose would also be among the matchday 20 come June. So, Tyrone are at two-thirds full strength for this one, but hopefully it will be enough.

i'd be more worried about Tyrones mental state than the team selected for Sundays game, too much chat from players about the game in Killarney last year and how this is Tyrones chance to exact revenge on the men from the Kingdom and relegate them to boot.

One guy who is really starting to irk me is Brian McGuigan in his weekly column in Gaelic Life, not that i buy it or read it but i somehow manage to see the headlines, Brian appears to be using the column to stir things up a bit of late. Its another game for us and if we take our eye of the ball Kerry could be doing a Houdini act and beating us and staying up.

I agree to an extent. Boc, but it is also the side's last chance to really focus on a big game before the championship. In the league playoffs, you have what are effectively challenge matches against sides who could be going at anywhere from 50-90% - you just don't know what you are playing against. This is a game against a big rival who is desperate to avoid the drop and you know it will be very competitive, so it makes sense to treat is as a final important test before attention turns to Donegal.

Mickey hasn't selected his strongest side, and having both Ronan O'Neill and McCurry in the same forward lines looks optimistic/ambitious. The last time he made several changes we didn't perform (againast Cork), so perhaps the added spice this time will focus minds. Building this game up is a risky mental strategy, as a defeat would be seen as a blow. However, a win would give us another good boost for what lies ahead.

Is that Sean og o hailpin at midfield for Tyrone

Hi guys,

Tactical analysis of Tyrone's win over Kildare now up [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Emmet

Good performance from Tyrone, and one that should have answered a lot of questions in Mickey's mind. I've heard some people say that Kildare are poor, and Tyrone aren't much better, however, I'm beginning to wonder where all the supposedly good teams are. I've seen a lot of league games, and only Dublin have stood out, and even they aren't the finished product.

Stephen O'Neill was outstanding yesterday, and it was probably his best game for Tyrone since 2005. Left foot, right foot, he has that rare ability to shoot equally accurately off either, and needs no more than a sliver of daylight to get his shot off. The 2 Donnellys were also very good, with Mark continuing his fine form this year, and Mattie showing that he has been missed in the last couple of games. Mattie is a powerful boy with a good engine and a decent footballing brain. He also has reasonable feet and has added a bit of pace. He will be a good addition this summer, and is one of the few young lads who has noticeably improved.

As regards answering questions, I think that Mattie has nailed down his position in the side in a free half back role, while Aidan Cassidy is now a real alternative to Colm Cavanagh in midfield. PJ Quinn and (to a lesser degree) Carlin both acquitted themselves well after long injury breaks, and either of them could take Aidan McCrory's place at corner back. Cathal McCarron was excellent at corner back, both in terms of marking and also carrying the ball out of defence, and I'd say that corner back slot is now his for the championship. Ronan McNamee is quickly playing his way out of the No.7 shirt. Up front, Conor McAliskey has probably done enough to move to the top of the list to partner SON, with only a returning Coney likely to usurp him.

Peter Harte's injury will give him a needed/deserved spell out of the side, although the alternatives to him aren't overly inspiring. Penrose, McGinley, McNeice, Kane - all of them have weaknesses. Joe McMahon's injury would be more worrying, as would the knocks that a couple of others seemed to take.

Thomas Clarke wrote:Good performance from Tyrone, and one that should have answered a lot of questions in Mickey's mind. I've heard some people say that Kildare are poor, and Tyrone aren't much better, however, I'm beginning to wonder where all the supposedly good teams are. I've seen a lot of league games, and only Dublin have stood out, and even they aren't the finished product.

Stephen O'Neill was outstanding yesterday, and it was probably his best game for Tyrone since 2005. Left foot, right foot, he has that rare ability to shoot equally accurately off either, and needs no more than a sliver of daylight to get his shot off. The 2 Donnellys were also very good, with Mark continuing his fine form this year, and Mattie showing that he has been missed in the last couple of games. Mattie is a powerful boy with a good engine and a decent footballing brain. He also has reasonable feet and has added a bit of pace. He will be a good addition this summer, and is one of the few young lads who has noticeably improved.

As regards answering questions, I think that Mattie has nailed down his position in the side in a free half back role, while Aidan Cassidy is now a real alternative to Colm Cavanagh in midfield. PJ Quinn and (to a lesser degree) Carlin both acquitted themselves well after long injury breaks, and either of them could take Aidan McCrory's place at corner back. Cathal McCarron was excellent at corner back, both in terms of marking and also carrying the ball out of defence, and I'd say that corner back slot is now his for the championship. Ronan McNamee is quickly playing his way out of the No.7 shirt. Up front, Conor McAliskey has probably done enough to move to the top of the list to partner SON, with only a returning Coney likely to usurp him.

Peter Harte's injury will give him a needed/deserved spell out of the side, although the alternatives to him aren't overly inspiring. Penrose, McGinley, McNeice, Kane - all of them have weaknesses. Joe McMahon's injury would be more worrying, as would the knocks that a couple of others seemed to take.

couldnt agree with that bit TC, i thought Quinn had awarded Doyle the freedom of Croke Park before the game he was that far off him at times.

I think the Dubs are a level above us and in the wide open spaces of Croker they could wreck havoc, if we got them on a tighter field they may be easier to contain.

How would you go about stopping the Dubs TC?