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Post  Thomas Clarke on Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:41 am

Parouisa wrote:Not arguing with your opinion and I think we will get a clearer picture the week after next in Croker.

Now, if you are comparing Tyrone to Dublin, that is different. I would agree that Dublin are ahead of Tyrone at present, but Mayo aren't.

Also, if both teams win this weekend, they'll both be in the semis, which may lead to increased experimentation.
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Post  bocerty on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:53 pm

Parouisa wrote:I'd imagine the Tyrone lads here are as disgusted as anyone about the spitting incident. Why do ar5eholes like that go to games? Like is he a member of a club or anything?

has the person involved been identified???

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Post  Parouisa on Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:10 pm

bocerty wrote:
Parouisa wrote:I'd imagine the Tyrone lads here are as disgusted as anyone about the spitting incident. Why do ar5eholes like that go to games? Like is he a member of a club or anything?

has the person involved been identified???

Dunno - thought ye might have heard.
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Post  Parouisa on Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:12 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:they'll both be in the semis, which may lead to increased experimentation.

I'm not sure what JG is going to do at all. I think he has a fair idea of what he has at his disposal and would be very familiar with the younger lads from his U21 days. I think he has a massive headache ahead - albeit one that most managers would love to have.
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Post  bocerty on Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:16 pm

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bocerty wrote:
Parouisa wrote:I'd imagine the Tyrone lads here are as disgusted as anyone about the spitting incident. Why do ar5eholes like that go to games? Like is he a member of a club or anything?

has the person involved been identified???

Dunno - thought ye might have heard.

P i hadnt even heard until you posted it, hats off to you though it was a great way of deflecting the attention away from Ger Brennan and his antics cheers cheers cheers cheers

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Post  Parouisa on Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:22 am

bocerty wrote:
Parouisa wrote:
bocerty wrote:
Parouisa wrote:I'd imagine the Tyrone lads here are as disgusted as anyone about the spitting incident. Why do ar5eholes like that go to games? Like is he a member of a club or anything?

has the person involved been identified???

Dunno - thought ye might have heard.

P i hadnt even heard until you posted it, hats off to you though it was a great way of deflecting the attention away from Ger Brennan and his antics cheers cheers cheers cheers

Thats funny it was widely publicised on most sites and news outlets.

I thought one of you lads would have brought it up first ..... Rolling Eyes Laughing
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:31 am

Parouisa wrote:
I thought one of you lads would have brought it up first ..... Rolling Eyes Laughing

Idiot supporter spits on a player - I didn't think it was worth commenting on. All counties have such clowns, and always will do. All we can do is reduce the likelihood of these things happening by introducing heavy bans.
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Post  Parouisa on Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:36 am

Often wonder about these bans. I can't see how they could keep a guy out of a ground. A hoodie and you're in.
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Post  bocerty on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:14 pm

Tyrone team for Sunday

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a’Ghuail
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
14 Stephen O’Neill Clann na nGael
15 Ronan O’Neill An Omaigh

will be interesting to see how Coney and Ronan O'Neill get on

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Post  bocerty on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:16 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
Parouisa wrote:
I thought one of you lads would have brought it up first ..... Rolling Eyes Laughing

Idiot supporter spits on a player - I didn't think it was worth commenting on. All counties have such clowns, and always will do. All we can do is reduce the likelihood of these things happening by introducing heavy bans.

alright handing out heavy bans TC but how do you enforce them????? Its impossible to do.

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Post  Thomas Clarke on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:06 pm

bocerty wrote:
Thomas Clarke wrote:
Parouisa wrote:
I thought one of you lads would have brought it up first ..... Rolling Eyes Laughing

Idiot supporter spits on a player - I didn't think it was worth commenting on. All counties have such clowns, and always will do. All we can do is reduce the likelihood of these things happening by introducing heavy bans.

alright handing out heavy bans TC but how do you enforce them????? Its impossible to do.

I agree, but at least it gives the appearance that something is being done - what would you suggest instead?
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:23 pm

bocerty wrote:Tyrone team for Sunday

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a’Ghuail
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
14 Stephen O’Neill Clann na nGael
15 Ronan O’Neill An Omaigh

will be interesting to see how Coney and Ronan O'Neill get on

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My biggest concern would be the balance between scorers and workers in attack. We are playing with SON and McAliskey isolated, and with the other 4 in withdrawn roles (Mattie & McNeice basically as half backs). I'd like to see one out of Ronan O'Neill, Darren McCurry or Kyle Coney added to support the front 2. Those 3 are all very talented, and I think we need to find a way to get one of them on the field.

Not many people read this forum, but it's encouraging to see that Mickey Harte is one of those who does.
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Post  Parouisa on Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:06 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:I agree, but at least it gives the appearance that something is being done - what would you suggest instead?

Muzzling?
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:22 pm

Yesterday was a very bad day at the office for everyone concerned with the team. I honestly can't think of a Tyrone team under Mickey Harte being so listless and lifeless for the full 70 minutes. Cork have received a lot of credit in today's papers, but the reality is that they were playing a side who just didn't show up. It's hard to analyse a performance like that, and it is tempting to write the whole thing off as an aberration, but there are a few things which should be discussed.

Mickey said after the game that he was at a loss to explain why Tyrone were so poor, but when he thinks about it honestly he will see that he must shoulder some of the blame. Mickey has got countless things right over the years, but he made several mistakes this week, starting with the announcement of the team. Mickey made 5 changes to his unbeaten side, and 4 of the players brought in were making their first starts after injury layoffs (3 long-term). Not only did that affect our sharpness, it surely also sent out the message to the players that Cork were not going to present as big a challenge as Donegal the previous week. Our casual approach to the game was very evident, taking 18 minutes to score in the first half, and 12 in the second. When you go that long without a score at the start of a half, it is because you aren't focussed.

We were also caught out tactically by Cork. I have no issue with pulling back forwards into the defence, but Cork's counter to this was to simply hold their positions, and we kicked aimless ball after aimless ball up to their unmarked half backs. Our inside forwards never had a chance. If the opposition doesn't follow you up the field, you have to carry the ball past them, not kick it to them.

Our substitutions were also very strange. For a start, we only made 4 changes, despite being destroyed. I assume the thinking behind it was to say to the players 'you've made your beds, so now lie in them', but the game could still have turned in the last 5 minutes if we'd scored a lucky goal - we were only 6 behind, despite being poor. McAliskey should have been thrown in. I'd also question what was done with Mark Donnelly and Penrose. We were crying out for energy and breaks around midfield, but those two were left standing at full forward, despite them usually being 2 of our most dynamic players in the middle third. Instead, we took 33 yr old Stevie O'Neill out to forage. I also have to question how Peter Harte survived the game. He is a talented young player, but his form has been poor for a long time now, and he should not be starting next week.

I'm conscious that I've been hard on Mickey here (something I don't make a habit of), but of course the players must shoulder a lot of the blame also. There were very few players who held their own in their 1-on-1 battles, and we really did seem to go down without much of a fight. While it is clear we have problems, I don't actually believe that we are as bad as we looked yesterday, and I do expect a much bigger performance in Croke Park next week. Whether that will be enough to beat a rampant Dublin side is totally different matter.
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Post  Parouisa on Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:11 pm

This one ain't going away and has resurrected the Tyrone-Kerry love-in. I would actually like to know what the 'sick and vile' sectarian abuse is. It puzzles me. Personally I think sledging and taunting of a personal nature (eg wife, mother, girlfriend) would be more upsetting.

I was spat at’ reveals Galvin - Kingdom ace hits back at Mulligan

THE Kerry-Tyrone rift deepened further when Paul Galvin issued a statement to "100pc confirm" that he was spat at during his Finuge side's All-Ireland club IFC final defeat to Fr Rocks of Cookstown.

Galvin was responding to Owen Mulligan's public backing of a clubmate who was accused of spitting at the Kerry forward and his claims that his team-mates were subject to "sick and vile" sectarian abuse during the game.

Footage appears to show Galvin remonstrating with Mulligan, who was not involved in the incident, and the Kerry star tweeted early yesterday: "To say I am disappointed and saddened by Eoin Mulligan's comments this morning is an understatement."

Elaborating later, in a statement released through his website, Galvin denied any involvement in sledging.

"I will utterly and unequivocally distance myself from claims made regarding verbal abuse during the game. That I have to defend myself or clarify my position in this regard is as disappointing as it is wrong.

"I will also add that I made no comment or complaint, publicly or privately, at the time of the incident, as when the game finishes it is finished in my view and I have no interest in dragging this matter out."

Galvin's statement also outlines his admiration for men like Peter Canavan and Mickey Harte but says that having played in "12 All Ireland finals in both codes, winning 8, this is one All- Ireland I can live without."

He added: "The path that the Kerry/Tyrone rivalry has taken of late disappoints me. Both counties are better than the bitterness and rancour that currently exists."



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Post  Thomas Clarke on Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:48 pm

Parouisa wrote: I would actually like to know what the 'sick and vile' sectarian abuse is. It puzzles me. Personally I think sledging and taunting of a personal nature (eg wife, mother, girlfriend) would be more upsetting.

It depends on who you are and where you are from, Par. People have different sore spots, so it is wrong to say what is worse - none of it is acceptable. Nor is spitting.

There is a definite and regrettable bitterness between Tyrone and Kerry, and the atmosphere when they meet in the final league game (Kerry will either be relegated or avoid relegation that day) will be super-charged.

To generalise, Kerry folk feel that Tyrone are thugs bullied them out of all-irelands, while Tyrone people think that Kerrymen are criers and whingers who are only happy when things go their way.
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:25 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
Parouisa wrote: I would actually like to know what the 'sick and vile' sectarian abuse is. It puzzles me. Personally I think sledging and taunting of a personal nature (eg wife, mother, girlfriend) would be more upsetting.

It depends on who you are and where you are from, Par. People have different sore spots, so it is wrong to say what is worse - none of it is acceptable. Nor is spitting.

There is a definite and regrettable bitterness between Tyrone and Kerry, and the atmosphere when they meet in the final league game (Kerry will either be relegated or avoid relegation that day) will be super-charged.

To generalise, Kerry folk feel that Tyrone are thugs who bullied them out of all-irelands, while Tyrone people think that Kerrymen are criers and whingers who are only happy when things go their way.
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Post  Parouisa on Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:42 pm

I accept and agree with a lot of that TC but while I have no time for sledging, verbals etc to me spitting is a graver and much more disgusting offence and I don't think its acceptable to try to defend it on any basis not least because of verbal abuse.

And yes game 7 may be very meaty!!!
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:07 pm

Parouisa wrote:I accept and agree with a lot of that TC but while I have no time for sledging, verbals etc to me spitting is a graver and much more disgusting offence and I don't think its acceptable to try to defend it on any basis not least because of verbal abuse.

Would you say that spitting is worse than racial abuse?

Personally, i think that spitting is over-rated as a form of insult.
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Post  Parouisa on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:03 am

Thomas Clarke wrote:Would you say that spitting is worse than racial abuse?

Personally, i think that spitting is over-rated as a form of insult.

I think spitting is an extremely low act and is infinitely worse than verbals. Racism is totally unacceptable also.
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Post  Parouisa on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:49 pm

Very refreshing attitude from Jim Gavin - nice to see.

Dublin’s Gavin calls for year ban for racism
Dublin manager says there is no room for such behaviour – on or off the field
It’s not just about image, it’s about respect. And as suited Jim Gavin sits in a meeting room on the third storey of the Gibson Hotel – his back to a window that overlooks the Liffey where the East Link toll bridge is rising occasionally to allow water traffic go about its business – there is nothing but clarity when the Dublin manager addresses some unsavoury allegations that have emanated from GAA fields in recent weeks.

Allegations of spitting. Of racism. Of sledging, that term that applies to players who verbally abuse opponents. As far as Gavin, a product of a military background having spent over two decades as a pilot and instructor in the Aer Corps before moving to the Irish Aviation Authority, there is no room for such behaviour – on or off the field – in Gaelic games.

“It’s completely unacceptable. There should be zero tolerance policy on everything from that [spitting] to racial abuse to sledging,” said Gavin, who compared current behaviour with those of his own playing days.

Stand their ground
“We got up, dusted ourselves down and got on with it. And that’s what I would expect the Dublin players to do and wouldn’t expect anything else of them.

“They’d need to stand their ground, but that [behaviour] wouldn’t be in my playbook at all,” said Gavin, whose unbeaten Dublin team face Tyrone at Croke Park tomorrow in the glamour match of this round of Allianz Division One matches.

Gavin – who won an All-Ireland with Dublin in 1995 and coached two winning All-Ireland under-21s teams in 2010 and 2012 before succeeding Pat Gilroy as senior manager last October – adopts a hard stance on images which have the potential to tarnish the GAA.

“I notice this week is the Europe Against Racism week and what better time to put down a marker for trying to encourage people into the Gaelic Athletic Association and that the GAA comes to the forefront of showing zero tolerance to racism.

Different cultures
“What better way to bring people from different cultures and different ethnic backgrounds into Irish life? Let them become Gaels.”

In advocating “strong punitive measures” for anyone found offending, Gavin continued: “I know the GAA want to eradicate it but, to really do the right job on it, you need to have zero tolerance [for racism].
“To me, that’s a 12-month ban straight away . . . we need to address the problem and move on.”

The spitting issue has come into the public domain following recent alleged incidents where Donegal’s Karl Lacey and Kerry’s Paul Galvin were victims of such behaviour, whilst the GAA are to deal with the racism issue on the clár of the upcoming congress in Derry.



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Post  Parouisa on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:55 pm

Also in today's Irish Times ... I'd say young Morgan will get some stick in his own dressing room for this!!!

New Tyrone goalkeeper Morgan salutes ‘kicking king’ Cluxton
New man relishing the chance to play in same game as his hero

New Tyrone goalkeeper Niall Morgan has described Stephen Cluxton as “the king” and hopes Mickey Harte gives him a chance to play against his hero at Croke Park tomorrow night.

Morgan has been a revelation in goals for his county this year and has added a new dimension to their attack with his long-range free-taking and 45s.

“Cluxton is the king, really,” says Morgan. “The rest of us goalkeepers who are doing it (free-kicks) still have a long way to go before we can compare ourselves to him.

“I think I’ve only ever seen him miss one and it hit the post so it didn’t miss by much.

“I can only imagine what it would be like to play against him in Croke Park.

“I would need to do a lot more practice to be anywhere as good as him but it would be great to see how good he is in real life. To have the experience of playing against him would be unbelievable.”
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:11 pm

Parouisa wrote:
Thomas Clarke wrote:Would you say that spitting is worse than racial abuse?

Personally, i think that spitting is over-rated as a form of insult.

I think spitting is an extremely low act and is infinitely worse than verbals. Racism is totally unacceptable also.

I totally disagree. Spitting ultimately harms no-one. It is disgusting, but harms no-one. Racism, bigotry, physical violence and the likes are much bigger problems in society and, as a result, on a football field.
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Post  Parouisa on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:14 pm

Disagree. Spitting is an obnoxious and vile act and should not be written off as it doesn't harm anyone! It is the action of a total scumbag and anyone who does it is beneath contempt.
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Post  Thomas Clarke on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:17 pm

Parouisa wrote:Disagree. Spitting is an obnoxious and vile act and should not be written off as it doesn't harm anyone! It is the action of a total scumbag and anyone who does it is beneath contempt.

I'm not writing it off - i'm just saying racial abuse, sectarian abuse, acts and threats of violence (including rape against girls) and other such things that happen on a field are more serious.
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