National Hurling League Divisions 1 & 2

patrique wrote:So Quinn was just like the Paras? Completely exonerated?

Fair enough.

Bye.

See yet more non sense out of you, just shows that you are losing the arguement that you have had to try and bring Bloody Sunday and the Paras into it to try and justify the non sense you spouted about it being the worst act you ever saw in top level hurling....Disappointed to see you trivial the likes of Bloody Sunday in this way but just shows that you have absolutely nothing, apart from idle stories about a friend who hit a fella on the back of a head....Shame you couldn't even stay on the matter at hand, instead trying to go off in tangents

Would you like to save a bit of face and admit that you may well have been a bit over the top with your classing of the Quinn/Shefflin incident as the worst thing you saw in top level hurling......

Puke your Defence of a Clare thug is emm..

mullins wrote:Puke your Defence of a Clare thug is emm..

Is what????

I have stated the facts, if you have something that contradicts anything that I have posted please by all means post it.....I asked Pat to bring anything forward to show it was an intentional stroke and I am still waiting, all he could do was spout some no sense about being there, yet despite having plenty of tv footage of it and a witchhunt on the sunday game Gerry Quinn was found innocent by the GAC

The Puke wrote:

mullins wrote:Puke your Defence of a Clare thug is emm..

Is what????

I have stated the facts, if you have something that contradicts anything that I have posted please by all means post it.....I asked Pat to bring anything forward to show it was an intentional stroke and I am still waiting, all he could do was spout some no sense about being there, yet despite having plenty of tv footage of it and a witchhunt on the sunday game Gerry Quinn was found innocent by the GAC

Player comes close to losing his eye....you say accident really

What you say is not gospel-can you show me their was no intention..

Can we agree to disagree and get back to this years National Hurling Leagues 1 and 2?

mullins wrote:

The Puke wrote:

mullins wrote:Puke your Defence of a Clare thug is emm..

Is what????

I have stated the facts, if you have something that contradicts anything that I have posted please by all means post it.....I asked Pat to bring anything forward to show it was an intentional stroke and I am still waiting, all he could do was spout some no sense about being there, yet despite having plenty of tv footage of it and a witchhunt on the sunday game Gerry Quinn was found innocent by the GAC

Player comes close to losing his eye....you say accident really

What you say is not gospel-can you show me their was no intention..

Innocent until proven guilty

Like I said it both players were competing for a high dropping ball. Quinn made a move to catch it with his right hand, as is his usual style. Shefflin was standing to his left and there was a bit of jockeying for position, Quinn's left hand/stick went backwards and caught shefflin....Both players were facing the ball, Quinn was slightly ahead of Shefflin, do you honestly believe it was an intentional attempt to take the eye out of Shefflin's head?????

Would you like to give me your account of what happened?

It was a freak accident, given the sh1tology that went on and the fact that Quinn had told the GAC where to go 2 years previous after they asked him to rat on the Waterford player that broke his hand broke and a reputation he had received from an incident with Mark O'Leary back in 2001 yet they still found him innocent....If there was even the slightest bit of proof to show it was an intentional attempt to take the eye out of Shefflin's head he would have received some sort of ban, he was cleared of any wrong doing

hurlingguru wrote:Can we agree to disagree and get back to this years National Hurling Leagues 1 and 2?

Dublin for Sam

Sunday Independant

Quinn is cleared
Sunday August 15th 2004

THE GAA's Games administration Committee have decided that Clare hurler Gerry Quinn has no case to answer following the incident during the All-Ireland quarter-final replay, when Henry Shefflin received an eye injury. Having discussed the incident with the referee, the match official reported that no foul play had occurred.

The Puke wrote:Sunday Independant

Quinn is cleared
Sunday August 15th 2004

THE GAA's Games administration Committee have decided that Clare hurler Gerry Quinn has no case to answer following the incident during the All-Ireland quarter-final replay, when Henry Shefflin received an eye injury. Having discussed the incident with the referee, the match official reported that no foul play had occurred.

Case closed.....
What is somewhat surprising is the fact that the Northern Bank robbery hasn't been brought up yet. Could Gerry be involved I wonder

The Puke wrote:Sunday Independant

Quinn is cleared
Sunday August 15th 2004

THE GAA's Games administration Committee have decided that Clare hurler Gerry Quinn has no case to answer following the incident during the All-Ireland quarter-final replay, when Henry Shefflin received an eye injury. Having discussed the incident with the referee, the match official reported that no foul play had occurred.

GAC say's no case to answer

hurlingguru wrote:Can we agree to disagree and get back to this years National Hurling Leagues 1 and 2?

Certainly.

I doubt if I will see anything like Gerry Quinn's cowardly attack on Henry Sheflin.

That was the worst thing I have ever seen in top class hurling where "accidents" should not really happen.

South Antrim Division 4 (reserve) maybe such "accidents" would occur (I was going for the ball ref) but not among TOP class hurlers.

Now I imagine they may have been cowardly, shameful acts I did not see, but that was the worst I (CaPital emphasis) ever saw.

And unless Puke was the village idiot Clareman next to me, he wasn't there.

Now Puke my boy, you cannot have a right and wrong in an opinion, like two children at primary school. (my daddy can beat your daddy)

It was the worst thing I ever saw, for sheer unadulterated thuggery. Maybe you have seen worse.

I mean you live in Clare.

Having exhausted the topic of whether Down hurlers, the GAA's greatest success story everything considered, are scumbags or not, I can move on to this years league.

Limerick to win Division 2.

How was it sheer unadulterated thuggery, that is revisionism at it's finest, there wasn't even a striking/thrusting motion towards Shefflin, his left arm was across Shefflin jockeying for position under a dropping ball, shefflin tried to come forward and Quinn's hand/hurley caught shefflin and was far from a striking motion, there was bearly a couple of inches of the hurl below his hand, it happened in the blink of an eye, it was not a cynical belt like Benny Dunne in 2009, Richie Murrey in 2008, TJ Ryan in 2004, Mike Houlahan in 1996, Duignan in 1998 to name a few....please tell me how it was thuggery??? If Quinn had taken a look to see or if there was a clear striking motion and not his hand moving back a couple of inches then I would give credence to your story but there wasn't.....


As I have said earlier given the witch hunt that went on in the Sunday Game (& Sports Call & Liveline), the fact that it was clearly caught on camera & that Quinn had previous with the GAC why wasn't he banned....If it was the worst bit of thuggery seen on a field he would have surely received some sort of ban, you have said yet have said nothing in relation to the actual incident and what happened apart from Shefflin's reaction...The fact that Shefflin and Quinn had a phone call that night in which Shefflin fully accepted that it wasn't an intentional attempt from Quinn but again you have dismisssed this as it doesn't suit your arguement, surely to god if it was the worst act seen on the field he would have been banned at the very least, the fact remains despite having plenty of footage of the incident and the media crying out for a ban they decided he had no case to answer


Would you mind telling me where you were sitting that day, Pat and your recollection of events?

The Puke wrote:How was it sheer unadulterated thuggery, that is revisionism at it's finest, there wasn't even a striking/thrusting motion towards Shefflin, his left arm was across Shefflin jockeying for position under a dropping ball, shefflin tried to come forward and Quinn's hand/hurley caught shefflin and was far from a striking motion, there was bearly a couple of inches of the hurl below his hand, it happened in the blink of an eye, it was not a cynical belt like Benny Dunne in 2009, Richie Murrey in 2008, TJ Ryan in 2004, Mike Houlahan in 1996, Duignan in 1998 to name a few....please tell me how it was thuggery??? If Quinn had taken a look to see or if there was a clear striking motion and not his hand moving back a couple of inches then I would give credence to your story but there wasn't.....


As I have said earlier given the witch hunt that went on in the Sunday Game (& Sports Call & Liveline), the fact that it was clearly caught on camera & that Quinn had previous with the GAC why wasn't he banned....If it was the worst bit of thuggery seen on a field he would have surely received some sort of ban, you have said yet have said nothing in relation to the actual incident and what happened apart from Shefflin's reaction...The fact that Shefflin and Quinn had a phone call that night in which Shefflin fully accepted that it wasn't an intentional attempt from Quinn but again you have dismisssed this as it doesn't suit your arguement, surely to god if it was the worst act seen on the field he would have been banned at the very least, the fact remains despite having plenty of footage of the incident and the media crying out for a ban they decided he had no case to answer

Would you mind telling me where you were sitting that day, Pat and your recollection of events?

Pat this **** is continuously going to make up stories about phones calls and other lies to give it the hole clare are holier than jesus, and down are scumbags because he said so, even though the clare county board never made a wimper about it.

Waste of breathe hes a bull s**tter, nothing else to say, move on just, i agree, limerick (whom puke said would not struggle in div2) are clearly wiping the floor with everyone, although a league final against clare, i still fancy their chances.

North Side Gael wrote:

The Puke wrote:How was it sheer unadulterated thuggery, that is revisionism at it's finest, there wasn't even a striking/thrusting motion towards Shefflin, his left arm was across Shefflin jockeying for position under a dropping ball, shefflin tried to come forward and Quinn's hand/hurley caught shefflin and was far from a striking motion, there was bearly a couple of inches of the hurl below his hand, it happened in the blink of an eye, it was not a cynical belt like Benny Dunne in 2009, Richie Murrey in 2008, TJ Ryan in 2004, Mike Houlahan in 1996, Duignan in 1998 to name a few....please tell me how it was thuggery??? If Quinn had taken a look to see or if there was a clear striking motion and not his hand moving back a couple of inches then I would give credence to your story but there wasn't.....


As I have said earlier given the witch hunt that went on in the Sunday Game (& Sports Call & Liveline), the fact that it was clearly caught on camera & that Quinn had previous with the GAC why wasn't he banned....If it was the worst bit of thuggery seen on a field he would have surely received some sort of ban, you have said yet have said nothing in relation to the actual incident and what happened apart from Shefflin's reaction...The fact that Shefflin and Quinn had a phone call that night in which Shefflin fully accepted that it wasn't an intentional attempt from Quinn but again you have dismisssed this as it doesn't suit your arguement, surely to god if it was the worst act seen on the field he would have been banned at the very least, the fact remains despite having plenty of footage of the incident and the media crying out for a ban they decided he had no case to answer

Would you mind telling me where you were sitting that day, Pat and your recollection of events?

Pat this **** is continuously going to make up stories about phones calls and other lies to give it the hole clare are holier than jesus, and down are scumbags because he said so, even though the clare county board never made a wimper about it.

Waste of breathe hes a bull s**tter, nothing else to say, move on just, i agree, limerick (whom puke said would not struggle in div2) are clearly wiping the floor with everyone, although a league final against clare, i still fancy their chances.

The phone call was not made up...

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What other things have I made up out of interest as well, NSG....you can disagree with me all you like I have no problem with that but I have not made up anything in relation to the Quinn/Shefflin incident

I have never stated Clare are holier than thou but I do take exception with Pat's claim about the Quinn incident as it was far from premeditated/thuggish

The Puke wrote:How was it sheer unadulterated thuggery, that is revisionism at it's finest, there wasn't even a striking/thrusting motion towards Shefflin, his left arm was across Shefflin jockeying for position under a dropping ball, shefflin tried to come forward and Quinn's hand/hurley caught shefflin and was far from a striking motion, there was bearly a couple of inches of the hurl below his hand, it happened in the blink of an eye, it was not a cynical belt like Benny Dunne in 2009, Richie Murrey in 2008, TJ Ryan in 2004, Mike Houlahan in 1996, Duignan in 1998 to name a few....please tell me how it was thuggery??? If Quinn had taken a look to see or if there was a clear striking motion and not his hand moving back a couple of inches then I would give credence to your story but there wasn't.....


As I have said earlier given the witch hunt that went on in the Sunday Game (& Sports Call & Liveline), the fact that it was clearly caught on camera & that Quinn had previous with the GAC why wasn't he banned....If it was the worst bit of thuggery seen on a field he would have surely received some sort of ban, you have said yet have said nothing in relation to the actual incident and what happened apart from Shefflin's reaction...The fact that Shefflin and Quinn had a phone call that night in which Shefflin fully accepted that it wasn't an intentional attempt from Quinn but again you have dismisssed this as it doesn't suit your arguement, surely to god if it was the worst act seen on the field he would have been banned at the very least, the fact remains despite having plenty of footage of the incident and the media crying out for a ban they decided he had no case to answer


Would you mind telling me where you were sitting that day, Pat and your recollection of events?

"we are satisfied that the injury was accidental"

From your own article, your county board and shefflin accept that quinn was not setting out to injury the player through his act of thuggery on the pitch (it says no where that shefflin said what quinn done was ok, he just accepted that he didnt set out to cause injury, but he did set out to do him), we ask you to accept the same of the down boys, this proves the point that a bit of thuggish behaviour out of a player or two doesnt mean they are scumbags setting out to cause injury but merely fustration clicking in or setting out to just do in the player physically for that game only, which you find pretty acceptable obviously.

North Side Gael wrote:

The Puke wrote:How was it sheer unadulterated thuggery, that is revisionism at it's finest, there wasn't even a striking/thrusting motion towards Shefflin, his left arm was across Shefflin jockeying for position under a dropping ball, shefflin tried to come forward and Quinn's hand/hurley caught shefflin and was far from a striking motion, there was bearly a couple of inches of the hurl below his hand, it happened in the blink of an eye, it was not a cynical belt like Benny Dunne in 2009, Richie Murrey in 2008, TJ Ryan in 2004, Mike Houlahan in 1996, Duignan in 1998 to name a few....please tell me how it was thuggery??? If Quinn had taken a look to see or if there was a clear striking motion and not his hand moving back a couple of inches then I would give credence to your story but there wasn't.....


As I have said earlier given the witch hunt that went on in the Sunday Game (& Sports Call & Liveline), the fact that it was clearly caught on camera & that Quinn had previous with the GAC why wasn't he banned....If it was the worst bit of thuggery seen on a field he would have surely received some sort of ban, you have said yet have said nothing in relation to the actual incident and what happened apart from Shefflin's reaction...The fact that Shefflin and Quinn had a phone call that night in which Shefflin fully accepted that it wasn't an intentional attempt from Quinn but again you have dismisssed this as it doesn't suit your arguement, surely to god if it was the worst act seen on the field he would have been banned at the very least, the fact remains despite having plenty of footage of the incident and the media crying out for a ban they decided he had no case to answer


Would you mind telling me where you were sitting that day, Pat and your recollection of events?

"we are satisfied that the injury was accidental"

From your own article, your county board and shefflin accept that quinn was not setting out to injury the player through his act of thuggery on the pitch (it says no where that shefflin said what quinn done was ok, he just accepted that he didnt set out to cause injury, but he did set out to do him), we ask you to accept the same of the down boys, this proves the point that a bit of thuggish behaviour out of a player or two doesnt mean they are scumbags setting out to cause injury but merely fustration clicking in or setting out to just do in the player physically for that game only, which you find pretty acceptable obviously.

He didn't set out to do him, it was an accidental tangle under a high ball and one lad came off worse....How can you set out to "do" someone but not set out to injure someone, they are the same thing.....


Whatever about Quinn, the fact he remains it was a tussle under a high ball, if he had pulled two feet below the pitch of the ball like some of the incidents i mentioned earlier and like the down lads have done in previous weeks I would be the first to condemn him as it has no place in the game.....Ye can rant and rave all ye want about the Quinn incident, there was a witch hunt against him and there was plenty of footage of the incident yet he wasn't banned and was cleared of any wrong doing, ye may not want to accept this but it is what happened....If ye want to keep calling it thuggery then fair enough but it wasn't, if it was he would have gotten a ban and Larry O'Gorman would still be on the sunday game

I don't get yout point about frustration either, Quinn held Shefflin scoreless from play the same day for the 60 minutes Shefflin was on the pitch

Fustration jealousy, same thing some times!

Just because a deal behind closed doors is done between two of the so called hurling super powers, doesnt mean its not thuggery to those who watched it, O Gorman only went because quinn threatened legal action, again with the deals behind closed doors!

Go on to the forums thrashing and answer that post also.

North Side Gael wrote:Fustration jealousy, same thing some times!

Just because a deal behind closed doors is done between two of the so called hurling super powers, doesnt mean its not thuggery to those who watched it, O Gorman only went because quinn threatened legal action, again with the deals behind closed doors!

Go on to the forums thrashing and answer that post also.

What deal was done behind closed doors????

Do you remember what Larry O'Gorman said??? I presume you are condoning his comments so

Frustration Jealousy, same thing I don't understand what you mean by this....If Quinn wanted to do Shefflin why did he wait til nearly the 60th minute to do so, why didn't he do it under one of the other high balls he contested earlier in the game...Quinn more than broke even with Shefflin in that match and held him scoreless, don't know what jealousy has to do with it, if Shefflin had 5 or 6 points from play and was going to town on Clare you might have a point....

There was no deal done, the GAC were an impartial committee set up to investigate such matters, they banned TJ Ryan the same year for his off the ball srike across the head of Jonathan O'Callaghan of Cork and also held an investigation into Eoin Kelly's pull on Eddie Enright in which they held up the refs decision that it was a yellow card and no more, to say otherwise is yet more non sense to get away from debating the facts.....If it was an act of complete thuggery then hye would have received a ban, there was no lack of video footage

Thankfully so far we have not sen any of this hurling "catenaccio" where managers withdraw players "behind the ball" and play with 8 defenders and 4 forwards.

absolute farce when that happens, although I think this despicable, cowardly tactic died a swift death.

I first saw this at I game I was at in 2004, Kilkenny in the all Ireland quarter.

Can't remember what team it was but they adopted this tactic to combat Kilkenny. Might as well have waved a white flag at the start.

I remember Shefflin being "Judased" in this game as they say up here, but can't remember the other county.......

Great to note teams have moved away from such nonsense.....

Now now Pat, what is the need to take the discussion you started about Gerry Quinn off on a tangent....

After all you branded it the worst action you ever saw in top class hurling and pure thuggery yet the independant powers that be in the GAC said he had no case to answer....

If it was as bad as you say it was then he surely would have received a lengthy ban

The Puke wrote:Now now Pat, what is the need to take the discussion you started about Gerry Quinn off on a tangent....

After all you branded it the worst action you ever saw in top class hurling and pure thuggery yet the independant powers that be in the GAC said he had no case to answer....

If it was as bad as you say it was then he surely would have received a lengthy ban

Yes, just like the Paras??????????

You just don't understand, but sports SUPPORTERS are blind.

Neutrals can see the game, and enjoy it as a spectacle (pun intended)

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:Now now Pat, what is the need to take the discussion you started about Gerry Quinn off on a tangent....

After all you branded it the worst action you ever saw in top class hurling and pure thuggery yet the independant powers that be in the GAC said he had no case to answer....

If it was as bad as you say it was then he surely would have received a lengthy ban

Yes, just like the Paras??????????

You just don't understand, but sports SUPPORTERS are blind.

Neutrals can see the game, and enjoy it as a spectacle (pun intended)

The Para's has absolutely nothing to do with it and you are not equating like with like and are doing nothing but cheaping what happened in the Troubles in order to save face.....I have accuarately described what happened in the Quinn/shefflin incident and have used facts every step of the way yet all you have brought to the debate is hyperbole, hearsay and drivel, Pat please put up or shut up at this stage

Brendan Maher broke a bone in his ankle over the weekend, big blow for the young fella and for Tipp, despite being relatively inexperienced he is a big big player for them....Would have to be a doubt for Cork at the end of May no doubt

Now that the Dublin hurlers have secured their Division 1 status for 2012 ... could they be thinking the unthinkable? Could they possibly repeat the dose of the Walsh Cup and take the Tribes again? Coming off a great win v Kilkenny Galway will be confident but you never know. A win would leave them on 9 points with two sticky fixtures left - the Cats and Cork. One win there and ...........