National Hurling League Divisions 1 & 2

patrique wrote:Let me get this right. Down took the field intent on beating the bejaysus out of Clare, which they then did for 70 minutes, and lost 5-22 to 0-6?

You asking me to believe that puke?

Ye could send the McDermott's club side down from Belfast to do that, and if they were intent on beating the bejabbers, well they would do so, and then probably take on the crowd, and then sack Ennis. And that is just a junior club side.

Wouldn't be too difficult, I did it meself in 1977 at the fleadh there. A "famous" banjo player from the region decided to ambush me with his friends in tow. Being highly intelligent i simply shouted "whose a Northern person without parents" and the whole pub jumped up and bate the bejabbers out of the whole town.

So pardon me for not believing you about Down's intent last Sunday.

you can believe what you want the fact remains that Down's hurlers have have gone down a lot in the estimations of clare fans and hurlers alike after their last two visits to cusack Park due to their carry on and wreckless strokes

I see Ken McGrath has called it a day, probably should have done 18 months ago as he has been a shadow of his former self in that time struggling with injuries and won't be a huge loss to Waterford but was definately one of the standout players of the last decade, a lovely stickman & possessed super balance.....

No harm for Waterford to be getting away from their core group of players from the last decade, Mullane and Browne look like the only two who will be nailed on starters come the summer....I wouldn't be his biggest fan and I would say that when he leaves there will be plenty of bad blood but to his credit Davy Fitz has done a fine job pretty much rebuilding the spine of that Waterford team over the last 3 years and keeping them quite competative in the process, they won't be disappearing back into the doldrums any time soon

Good man Puke but before we leave the Down "scum bags" subject I must say one thing.

I was debating the merits of Henry Shefflin recently, compared to other greats. Henry was NEVER the same player again after his "injury" in 2004 at a game I was at, versus.....Clare.

that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling.

Now I do not condemn the entire county for it, before or since, but it happened.

As Jayo said earlier "let those without sin......"

patrique wrote:Good man Puke but before we leave the Down "scum bags" subject I must say one thing.

I was debating the merits of Henry Shefflin recently, compared to other greats. Henry was NEVER the same player again after his "injury" in 2004 at a game I was at, versus.....Clare.

that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling.

Now I do not condemn the entire county for it, before or since, but it happened.

As Jayo said earlier "let those without sin......"

Throw up a clip of it from youtubeto show it was a dirtyy stroke pat, if you honestly believe Gerry Quinn Could try and take the eye out of Shefflins head through the bars of his helmet while at the same time as facing the ball then he is some man..Gerry could have went crying like a girl about the same man who retired yesterday back in 2002 but kept stoom..How many games games did Shelfflin miss as a result of than incident out of interest, off hand I believe he hurled the following week with not bother on him


Gerry Quinn is a head the ball but the last thing he can be classed as is a dirty hurler as I can tell you from experenece of hurling against him, he can give it but is even better to take it

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:Good man Puke but before we leave the Down "scum bags" subject I must say one thing.

I was debating the merits of Henry Shefflin recently, compared to other greats. Henry was NEVER the same player again after his "injury" in 2004 at a game I was at, versus.....Clare.

that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling.

Now I do not condemn the entire county for it, before or since, but it happened.

As Jayo said earlier "let those without sin......"

Throw up a clip of it from youtubeto show it was a dirtyy stroke pat, if you honestly believe Gerry Quinn Could try and take the eye out of Shefflins head through the bars of his helmet while at the same time as facing the ball then he is some man..Gerry could have went crying like a girl about the same man who retired yesterday back in 2002 but kept stoom..How many games games did Shelfflin miss as a result of than incident out of interest, off hand I believe he hurled the following week with not bother on him


Gerry Quinn is a head the ball but the last thing he can be classed as is a dirty hurler as I can tell you from experenece of hurling against him, he can give it but is even better to take it

Ah so.

Cousin of mine got banned for life for nearly killing someone in a hurling match, hit him right across the back of the head, from behind.

The same cousin could take it though, so why was he banned? surely his action was ok?

as for Shefflin, he was AWFUL for two years after the "injury" against Clare, obviously thinking is it worth it if you could lose an eye despite wearing a helmet and a face guard, sure the handle of a hurl could penetrate that anytime, by pure accident..........


Down are scumbags? People in glass houses.....and I don't mean Mr Quinn.

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:Good man Puke but before we leave the Down "scum bags" subject I must say one thing.

I was debating the merits of Henry Shefflin recently, compared to other greats. Henry was NEVER the same player again after his "injury" in 2004 at a game I was at, versus.....Clare.

that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling.

Now I do not condemn the entire county for it, before or since, but it happened.

As Jayo said earlier "let those without sin......"

Throw up a clip of it from youtubeto show it was a dirtyy stroke pat, if you honestly believe Gerry Quinn Could try and take the eye out of Shefflins head through the bars of his helmet while at the same time as facing the ball then he is some man..Gerry could have went crying like a girl about the same man who retired yesterday back in 2002 but kept stoom..How many games games did Shelfflin miss as a result of than incident out of interest, off hand I believe he hurled the following week with not bother on him


Gerry Quinn is a head the ball but the last thing he can be classed as is a dirty hurler as I can tell you from experenece of hurling against him, he can give it but is even better to take it

Ah so.

Cousin of mine got banned for life for nearly killing someone in a hurling match, hit him right across the back of the head, from behind.

The same cousin could take it though, so why was he banned? surely his action was ok?

as for Shefflin, he was AWFUL for two years after the "injury" against Clare, obviously thinking is it worth it if you could lose an eye despite wearing a helmet and a face guard, sure the handle of a hurl could penetrate that anytime, by pure accident..........


Down are scumbags? People in glass houses.....and I don't mean Mr Quinn.

I am still waiting for you to prove that it was a dirty stroke, especially as every replay showed that Quinn was facing the ball....but sure keep throwing out inaccuaracies..I have posted up a link to a picture to a Down player pulling across Pat Vaughan 2 feet below the pitch of the ball, please throw up any evidence of Quinn or any other Clare player doing the same

Puke for a Clare man you moan a lot..From the county if it moves hit it-if it doesn't hit it again

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:Good man Puke but before we leave the Down "scum bags" subject I must say one thing.

I was debating the merits of Henry Shefflin recently, compared to other greats. Henry was NEVER the same player again after his "injury" in 2004 at a game I was at, versus.....Clare.

that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling.

Now I do not condemn the entire county for it, before or since, but it happened.

As Jayo said earlier "let those without sin......"

Throw up a clip of it from youtubeto show it was a dirtyy stroke pat, if you honestly believe Gerry Quinn Could try and take the eye out of Shefflins head through the bars of his helmet while at the same time as facing the ball then he is some man..Gerry could have went crying like a girl about the same man who retired yesterday back in 2002 but kept stoom..How many games games did Shelfflin miss as a result of than incident out of interest, off hand I believe he hurled the following week with not bother on him


Gerry Quinn is a head the ball but the last thing he can be classed as is a dirty hurler as I can tell you from experenece of hurling against him, he can give it but is even better to take it

Ah so.

Cousin of mine got banned for life for nearly killing someone in a hurling match, hit him right across the back of the head, from behind.

The same cousin could take it though, so why was he banned? surely his action was ok?

as for Shefflin, he was AWFUL for two years after the "injury" against Clare, obviously thinking is it worth it if you could lose an eye despite wearing a helmet and a face guard, sure the handle of a hurl could penetrate that anytime, by pure accident..........


Down are scumbags? People in glass houses.....and I don't mean Mr Quinn.

I am still waiting for you to prove that it was a dirty stroke, especially as every replay showed that Quinn was facing the ball....but sure keep throwing out inaccuaracies..I have posted up a link to a picture to a Down player pulling across Pat Vaughan 2 feet below the pitch of the ball, please throw up any evidence of Quinn or any other Clare player doing the same

PROVE it!!!!!!!I was there, I saw it, that's all the proof I need. And I saw Henry's reaction, total disbelief.

A brother of that cousin of mine, a county player, could have disemboweled ye while watching the ball, that was his forte.

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:Good man Puke but before we leave the Down "scum bags" subject I must say one thing.

I was debating the merits of Henry Shefflin recently, compared to other greats. Henry was NEVER the same player again after his "injury" in 2004 at a game I was at, versus.....Clare.

that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling.

Now I do not condemn the entire county for it, before or since, but it happened.

As Jayo said earlier "let those without sin......"

Throw up a clip of it from youtubeto show it was a dirtyy stroke pat, if you honestly believe Gerry Quinn Could try and take the eye out of Shefflins head through the bars of his helmet while at the same time as facing the ball then he is some man..Gerry could have went crying like a girl about the same man who retired yesterday back in 2002 but kept stoom..How many games games did Shelfflin miss as a result of than incident out of interest, off hand I believe he hurled the following week with not bother on him


Gerry Quinn is a head the ball but the last thing he can be classed as is a dirty hurler as I can tell you from experenece of hurling against him, he can give it but is even better to take it

Ah so.

Cousin of mine got banned for life for nearly killing someone in a hurling match, hit him right across the back of the head, from behind.

The same cousin could take it though, so why was he banned? surely his action was ok?

as for Shefflin, he was AWFUL for two years after the "injury" against Clare, obviously thinking is it worth it if you could lose an eye despite wearing a helmet and a face guard, sure the handle of a hurl could penetrate that anytime, by pure accident..........


Down are scumbags? People in glass houses.....and I don't mean Mr Quinn.

I am still waiting for you to prove that it was a dirty stroke, especially as every replay showed that Quinn was facing the ball....but sure keep throwing out inaccuaracies..I have posted up a link to a picture to a Down player pulling across Pat Vaughan 2 feet below the pitch of the ball, please throw up any evidence of Quinn or any other Clare player doing the same

PROVE it!!!!!!!I was there, I saw it, that's all the proof I need. And I saw Henry's reaction, total disbelief.
A brother of that cousin of mine, a county player, could have disemboweled ye while watching the ball, that was his forte.

Eh, Shefflin acknowledged that it was an accident and not a deliberate stroke....As did the GAA who decided he had no case to answer after lengthy investigate into it after a witch hunt by RTE, fuelled by some very illadvised comments made by Larry O'Gorman, who subsequently never appeared on the Sunday game afterwards...

So are you calling Henry Shefflin a liar, or are you going to let on you know more about the incident that one of the players involved in it

The GAA has a funny ethos. Play in an all Ireland final, have 8 goals wrongly disallowed, three players wrongly sent off, and the "winners" cheated every step of the way, and you are expected to appear at interviews and say "~~~~ deserved their win".

you then go back to the dressing room and swear to wreck a terrible vengeance on the ba####s.

That is what Henry did, he is not so complimentary in private on the incident.

Now we could could argue for years, but I saw it. enough for me your honour, guilty as hell.

Now, as I said, I do not call Clare "scumbags" because of it which was the point I was trying to make.

maybe both Henry and I are sports.

PS: OJ Simpson was found not guilty as well, by the authorities.......

patrique wrote:The GAA has a funny ethos. Play in an all Ireland final, have 8 goals wrongly disallowed, three players wrongly sent off, and the "winners" cheated every step of the way, and you are expected to appear at interviews and say "~~~~ deserved their win".

you then go back to the dressing room and swear to wreck a terrible vengeance on the ba####s.

That is what Henry did, he is not so complimentary in private on the incident.

Now we could could argue for years, but I saw it. enough for me your honour, guilty as hell.

Now, as I said, I do not call Clare "scumbags" because of it which was the point I was trying to make.

maybe both Henry and I are sports.

PS: OJ Simpson was found not guilty as well, by the authorities.......

But sure if it was like you stated earlier "that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling." and the witch hunt and furore that went with it why did the powers that be clear Quinn of any wrong doing after a full investigation, if it was as bad and as clearcut as you maintained it to be he would surely have gotten a 3 months ban minimum, there were plenty of replays of it and all of them showed that Quinn was facing the ball and it wasn't an intentional belt to Shefflins face....It was two players tangling under a dropping ball and unfortunately one player got caught with the end of a stray stick, simple as, compared to Benny Dunne's pull on Tommy Walsh, Duignan's on David Forde or Liam Dunne's on Martin Comerford to name three off the top of my head that were all terrible and far far more cynical, clearcutl and cowardly....You made reference to Shefflin's reaction, this was the same Shefflin who had a habit of throwing tantrums and moaning to the ref everytime he was fouled or felt he wasn't getting things his way as a player, a habit he has grown out of in recent times thankfully as it took away a bit from what is a fine hurler

I was also in Derry on bloody Sunday, and saw that, even more blatant.

Know what I mean? Stop being so naive and childish.

patrique wrote:I was also in Derry on bloody Sunday, and saw that, even more blatant.

Know what I mean? Stop being so naive and childish.

Patrique for you to try to pull in a tragedy like Bloody Sunday in an attempt to save face in an argument which you lost several posts ago is frankly disgusting. For shame.

patrique wrote:I was also in Derry on bloody Sunday, and saw that, even more blatant.

Know what I mean? Stop being so naive and childish.

How am I being naive, you are the one who said "that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling." yet after a full investigation the powers that be decided that Quinn had no case to answer and common sense prevailed....

If it was as bad as you think it was he surely would have gotten a ban for it, especially given the witch hunt that went on in the sunday game....common sense prevailed, even Shefflin himself accepted it was an accident, if it was "the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling." he surely wouldn't have and just kept stum....but don't let the facts get in the way of you and your hyperbole

Can someone explain to me why a poster, would be allowed to refer to a team as SCUMBAGS

mullins wrote:Can someone explain to me why a poster, would be allowed to refer to a team as SCUMBAGS

Read the thread, I have given more than enough rationale for my view on them....Whether you agree with my assertion is a different story but I have given the reasons behind my arguement

The Puke wrote:

patrique wrote:I was also in Derry on bloody Sunday, and saw that, even more blatant.

Know what I mean? Stop being so naive and childish.

How am I being naive, you are the one who said "that was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling." yet after a full investigation the powers that be decided that Quinn had no case to answer and common sense prevailed....

If it was as bad as you think it was he surely would have gotten a ban for it, especially given the witch hunt that went on in the sunday game....common sense prevailed, even Shefflin himself accepted it was an accident, if it was "the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling." he surely wouldn't have and just kept stum....but don't let the facts get in the way of you and your hyperbole

Fair enough.

Clare are SCUMBAGS.

Have it your own way.

PS: That was the thing about SAhefflin's reaction that day, he did NOT appeal to the ref or anything.

His expression was shock, implying that he could not believe that the scumbag had just done what he did.

Might as well debate at your level.

What were your thoughts on Sean Og deliberately putting the butt of his hurley through the bars of a Galway players helmet in the 2008 game in Thurles, pat.....It was far more clear cut and intentional than Quinn's but then again it probably wasn't the worst action you ever saw at top class hurling

Not a patch on Gery Quinn's antics while facing the ball I suppose, pat

The Puke wrote:What were your thoughts on Sean Og deliberately putting the butt of his hurley through the bars of a Galway players helmet in the 2008 game in Thurles, pat.....It was far more clear cut and intentional than Quinn's but then again it probably wasn't the worst action you ever saw at top class hurling

TODAY is the first time I saw that. I was NOT at the game.

now, let us compare Jack The Ripper to the Yorkshire Ripper. I think Jack was worse.

Does that mean Peter Sutcliffe is innocent?

Jaysus Puke, I am from N.Ireland, I have had enough "whataboutery" to last 6 lifetimes.

So, Sean Og above appears to be in the wrong.

So was Quinn.

patrique wrote:

The Puke wrote:What were your thoughts on Sean Og deliberately putting the butt of his hurley through the bars of a Galway players helmet in the 2008 game in Thurles, pat.....It was far more clear cut and intentional than Quinn's but then again it probably wasn't the worst action you ever saw at top class hurling

TODAY is the first time I saw that. I was NOT at the game.

now, let us compare Jack The Ripper to the Yorkshire Ripper. I think Jack was worse.

Does that mean Peter Sutcliffe is innocent?

Jaysus Puke, I am from N.Ireland, I have had enough "whataboutery" to last 6 lifetimes.

So, Sean Og above appears to be in the wrong.

So was Quinn.

But I still fail to see how you think Quinn was wrong, he was contesting a highball and was tangling with his man, the replays at the time clearly showed both men had eyes on the ball, if quinn was facing Shefflin or even took a look to see I would give credence to your claims but it was a freak accident, Shefflin came out of it with a nasty injury which was very unfortunate, even if Quinn was trying to take the eye out of Shefflin's head(and I don't belive for one moment he was) to think he could purposely know where Shefflin's eye was and guide his hurley through his faceguard on purpose while at the same time while facing the ball and actually standing ahead of Shefflin is pure fantasy but to say that it was the worst action I ever saw at top class hurling is wide of the mark or you are completely overblowing it.....If the same thing had happened with Quinn getting the belt there wouldn't have been anything made of it, same way there was little made of the Sean Og incident above, due to their profile in the game, if the Galway lad(Fergal Healy I believe) had done the same to Sean Og you can be guarenteed there would have been far more furore about it....

The facts remain that Quinn was exonerated, Shefflin accepted it was not intentional, Larry O'Gorman was never seen on the Sunday Game again after his juvenile comments which only imflammed the situation....There was actually a serious threat of legal action against RTE due to their handling of the whole thing....

I once shot a man.

In court I told the judge that although I shot this man, when i did so, I admit I was pointing the gun at him but I was looking the other way. And anyway, your honour, the chances of me hitting him from 30 metres.........

The ungrateful #### still found me guilty.

patrique wrote:I once shot a man.

In court I told the judge that although I shot this man, when i did so, I admit I was pointing the gun at him but I was looking the other way. And anyway, your honour, the chances of me hitting him from 30 metres.........

The ungrateful #### still found me guilty.

You ain't comparing like with like unfortunately....The facts still remain and I shall repeat them, the GAC exonerated Quinn after a full investigation & Shefflin himself accepted that it wasn't intentional...Those are facts, you have brought nothing but hyperbole and handy talk to the debate.....

So Quinn was just like the Paras? Completely exonerated?

Fair enough.

Bye.