Student Wasters

Jonsmith wrote:So you have the perfect piece of evidence to back up your statement, which is a matter freely available to the public, but you "couldn't post the name".....

That is the single finest argument I have ever heard.

But Jon why should i post a name go find it...its fact not fiction..

hipster 2 wrote:we are just a shower off sell outs as that german wrote when they came for the communists i said nothing then they came for the jews i said nothing then the gays and the sick i still said nothing then they came for me and there was no one to hear my call for help .

The depressing thing here is that is a lot of Students in this country really do believe they have it worse than Jews in the third Reich. It's hard for them to adjust I suppose to the reality of having to pay their way when they've been raised to believe everything can be explained away by Daddy's credit card.
Even so I do think Hipsters analogy here is a bit of a stretch.

Mullins I'm not going to go searching through the thousands of judgements of the High Court looking for a legal argument that doesn't exist.. If you assault a Garda while he is using lawful force against you then can be prosecuted. Simple as. The case is a matter of public record so you should have no problem posting it.

Gardai are public servants by the way - as are nurses, prison officers, members of the army, teachers etc.

Looking at news and pics there are a good few non-student looking types at the forefront today.

But it is good to see student protests - carrying on the tradition of such luminaries as Myers, Fintan O'Toole and Joe Duffy ... proletariats all .....

Thought this tread was a joke when i looked at the title, given that im a student myself, was at the same protest as Pat. I think what these students done was courageous and honorable, and JC no offence but this whole "it wasnt just students" thing is nonsense, are they not allowed supporters?

To lambast students at a time like this is unforgivable, most students are protesting and rallying for the future students, more and more kids not getting to uni will leave a bigger line at the dole que as its proven kids from a working class background are more likely to end up in a working class job which will lack security, if they dont go to university.

The gardai are shameful in how they react to peaceful protest, yet when a crowd of fellas who say they will wreck dublin city centre if a loyalist march gets down the street they sh*t themselves!

Maybe these loyal irish republican patriots sitting in the dail would run the country on a working class wage for a few years to sort out the problems? Maybe they would sack the far to many chiefs in government departments (sorry not chiefs - jumped up admin workers)? maybe they should nationalize the banks and bring in a fair system for everyone and save a fortune in the process?

Loads of ways to bring about savings, not as straight cut as some suckers see it!

North Side Gael wrote:and JC no offence but this whole "it wasnt just students" thing is nonsense, are they not allowed supporters?

Well NSG the USI (who organised the protest) were saddened by events and distanced itself from a group of breakaway protesters involved in clashes outside the Department of Finance on Merrion Street, Dublin.

The USI blamed “left-wing” groups for the “destructive and anti-social violence” which it said would only divert attention from its campaign against higher student fees.

Some supporters alright ......

I will have three in third level education from next year. No way will I be able to afford €9000.00 fees. They even camoflage it as a registration fee because if you change that to 'tuition' I would be able to claim tax relief on the fees.Yet they can pour millions into elite fee paying secondary schools each year .Why? Because almost all their children are attenting these schools. Share the pain!

North Side Gael wrote:Thought this tread was a joke when i looked at the title, given that im a student myself, was at the same protest as Pat. I think what these students done was courageous and honorable, and JC no offence but this whole "it wasnt just students" thing is nonsense, are they not allowed supporters?

To lambast students at a time like this is unforgivable, most students are protesting and rallying for the future students, more and more kids not getting to uni will leave a bigger line at the dole que as its proven kids from a working class background are more likely to end up in a working class job which will lack security, if they dont go to university.

The gardai are shameful in how they react to peaceful protest, yet when a crowd of fellas who say they will wreck dublin city centre if a loyalist march gets down the street they sh*t themselves!

Maybe these loyal irish republican patriots sitting in the dail would run the country on a working class wage for a few years to sort out the problems? Maybe they would sack the far to many chiefs in government departments (sorry not chiefs - jumped up admin workers)? maybe they should nationalize the banks and bring in a fair system for everyone and save a fortune in the process?

Loads of ways to bring about savings, not as straight cut as some suckers see it!

The Gardai reacted to a group of people trespassing inside a government building many with their faces covered, terrorising the employees inside. They threw them out as they are required to do, then the crowd began to throw bricks and rocks at them so the riot squad moved in. Where is the disgrace? What other options did they have NSG?

The protest, as many around the country are, was highjacked by the usual suspects Sinn Fein, Eirigi, known for bringing violence to peaceful protests, look what went on in Belmullet. They don't speak for the majority of students.
A few years ago at college we went to a talk by the Israeli ambassador, as expected a number of these protesters arrived and went into the lecture hall causing trouble and hissing when the ambassador attempted to speak. One member of Eirigi jumped up shouting that he spoke for the students of NUIG and began a rant about freeing Palestine etc. A friend of mine stood up and said he didn't speak for him, we came to listen not to drag the event into the gutter even if we didn't agree with Israeli views. Almost the entire assembly of people cheered and the Eirigi members were forced to leave with their tails between their legs.
They pretend to speak for the populace in what they say and do but in most cases they aren't wanted.

so it was just republicans or left wing activists who where involved in the scuffles? No, we listen to this bull in the north all the time, there not even from this area or part of this movement, what a load of bull, why where they not confronted by the "majority" before the protest and told they were not wanted?

And of course they will distance themselves, if they backed it up, you'd have the government in ripping them apart! Where did the trouble start exactly? anyone care to answer, IE who through the first punch or instigated the first piece of violent behaviour? Answer that, all actions have consequences, even the actions of the gardai!

The state will face a hell of a lot more serious stuff than this if they continue to implement cuts!

Someone go and ask bertie why hes gets to resign and walk away from all this and get 100k plus pension! The so called irish peace maker, the so called irish republican and the self proclaimed last proper socialist! He created this mess then walks away scot free, maybe he should have brought his cabinet with him and then the people would be able to face the cuts knowing the same ridiculous spending and borrowing mistakes wont be made again.

The poor get poorer and while the working class take to the streets to gain social justice the majority of the working class sit back listening too and reading government propaganda in the press while shaking their heads at the actions of the working class.

stand up for the first time and actually read the proclamation and ask your self have we done it justice as irish people? If we had, we wouldnt be having the current problems!

I am not the member of any organisation but people will act and the irish people claim the right to protest about higher education fees after all this isnt going to effect some current students but will effect our children weather we are waste disposal workers, bar personell, civil servants, lecturers or simply on the dole!

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

North Side Gael wrote:and JC no offence but this whole "it wasnt just students" thing is nonsense, are they not allowed supporters?

Well NSG the USI (who organised the protest) were saddened by events and distanced itself from a group of breakaway protesters involved in clashes outside the Department of Finance on Merrion Street, Dublin.

The USI blamed “left-wing” groups for the “destructive and anti-social violence” which it said would only divert attention from its campaign against higher student fees.

Some supporters alright ......

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Jonsmith wrote:

North Side Gael wrote:Thought this tread was a joke when i looked at the title, given that im a student myself, was at the same protest as Pat. I think what these students done was courageous and honorable, and JC no offence but this whole "it wasnt just students" thing is nonsense, are they not allowed supporters?

To lambast students at a time like this is unforgivable, most students are protesting and rallying for the future students, more and more kids not getting to uni will leave a bigger line at the dole que as its proven kids from a working class background are more likely to end up in a working class job which will lack security, if they dont go to university.

The gardai are shameful in how they react to peaceful protest, yet when a crowd of fellas who say they will wreck dublin city centre if a loyalist march gets down the street they sh*t themselves!

Maybe these loyal irish republican patriots sitting in the dail would run the country on a working class wage for a few years to sort out the problems? Maybe they would sack the far to many chiefs in government departments (sorry not chiefs - jumped up admin workers)? maybe they should nationalize the banks and bring in a fair system for everyone and save a fortune in the process?

Loads of ways to bring about savings, not as straight cut as some suckers see it!

The Gardai reacted to a group of people trespassing inside a government building many with their faces covered, terrorising the employees inside. They threw them out as they are required to do, then the crowd began to throw bricks and rocks at them so the riot squad moved in. Where is the disgrace? What other options did they have NSG?

The protest, as many around the country are, was highjacked by the usual suspects Sinn Fein, Eirigi, known for bringing violence to peaceful protests, look what went on in Belmullet. They don't speak for the majority of students.
A few years ago at college we went to a talk by the Israeli ambassador, as expected a number of these protesters arrived and went into the lecture hall causing trouble and hissing when the ambassador attempted to speak. One member of Eirigi jumped up shouting that he spoke for the students of NUIG and began a rant about freeing Palestine etc. A friend of mine stood up and said he didn't speak for him, we came to listen not to drag the event into the gutter even if we didn't agree with Israeli views. Almost the entire assembly of people cheered and the Eirigi members were forced to leave with their tails between their legs.
They pretend to speak for the populace in what they say and do but in most cases they aren't wanted.

They are adequately resourced are the gardai, so they should have had the intelligence (which they boast about having on certain groups you've named) to know where the protest was going and secured the perimeter of the peoples government building and not allowed the people in, would have solved the situation before it started!

JC they blamed them, the distanced themselves, so what if they organised it, so what that they broke away, they organised a protest thinking what that only students would want to protest against a decision that effects all of us! Are you saying no students were at the government building?

NSG - I named no groups - I quoted the USI - who named no actual groups either. They organised the protest and are 'saddened' and 'disappointed' at what happened - at the event they organised. Similar to a protest group earlier in the week were equally disgusted at having their peaceful protest hijacked by another group.

Yes its a democracy - everyone is entitled to protest in a civilized manner. If a line is crossed then there are consequences. That sort of behaviour does not represent me.

What behaviour jc?

how do you know these people where not defending themselves?c against gardai aggression??

these people who more than likely included students

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Yea have to say from watching this, these llok like republican or left wing thugs out to cause trouble the girl being put in the recovery position definitely looks like one - NOT

def thugs in this video though, hiding their faces holding batons and sheilds!

North Side Gael wrote:What behaviour jc?

how do you know these people where not defending themselves?c against gardai aggression??

No matter whether they were students or not NSG (and there are plenty of girls in their late teens and early 20s in the Eirigi party by the way): They were trespassing and had to be removed. By force if necessary which it obviously was. How is the Gardai doing their duty thuggish behaviour? The people were told to leave, they refused and necessitated force being used against them.
One lad on RTE was wearing a t-shirt that said "**** Police Brutality" Was he there to protest peacefully?? Or was he just one of the rest of those protesters who turn every protest into a campaign against the Guards as soon as they enforce the law..

plenty of girls in their lates teens early 20's eh? lol

ive marched with eirigi as an independent ive also marched with the sdlp as an independent and ive never seen plenty of young ladies lol!

I work as a doorman and yes your right for years when we asked people to leave and they refused we removed them normally without batons or sheilds lol however recent european law prevents us from man handling people in that situation as it is deemed unnecessary! we now secure the staff and the building and bar staff decide whether or not the situation requires assistance! We can also act in self defence as can any member of the public, seems more to me that the students & co (trying to keep you happy jc lol) where acting in self defence!

North Side Gael wrote:
The state will face a hell of a lot more serious stuff than this if they continue to implement cuts!

Unlikely. Ireland is still an affluent nation and people only get that agitated when their own pockets are affected. The Students are a prime example, they couldn't care less about pensioners or the HSE, they only feel the kinky urge to protest when their capacity for spending money on drink and drugs is adversely affected.

Cuts are needed across the board only a simpleton or worse, another anachronistic left-wing 'comrade' of which Belfast sadly seems to contain more than its fair share, cannot see that. The vast silent majority are far from stupid and they appreciate the need for the tough measures that must come. They will cast a cold eye, grit their teeth and carry the dossers and their laughably twee ideas about social cause and effect, on their backs once again.

North Side Gael wrote:I work as a doorman and yes your right for years when we asked people to leave and they refused we removed them normally without batons or sheilds lol however recent european law prevents us from man handling people in that situation as it is deemed unnecessary! we now secure the staff and the building and bar staff decide whether or not the situation requires assistance! We can also act in self defence as can any member of the public, seems more to me that the students & co (trying to keep you happy jc lol) where acting in self defence!

Are you seriously comparing throwing a few people out of a club where they have payed to enter and clearing out a mass protest of trespassers from a government building? Did you have a few thousand people surrounding you throwing bricks at you? The Gardai were required to clear the building and they did so lawfully and effectively. If the protesters did not want force used against them then they should have left when requested.
I've came across the Eirigi party a few (too many) times in college and they had plenty of young females with them NSG. Although I'm not denying there were students in the building also.

mossbags wrote:

North Side Gael wrote:
The state will face a hell of a lot more serious stuff than this if they continue to implement cuts!

Unlikely. Ireland is still an affluent nation and people only get that agitated when their own pockets are affected. The Students are a prime example, they couldn't care less about pensioners or the HSE, they only feel the kinky urge to protest when their capacity for spending money on drink and drugs is adversely affected.

Cuts are needed across the board only a simpleton or worse, another anachronistic left-wing 'comrade' of which Belfast sadly seems to contain more than its fair share, cannot see that. The vast silent majority are far from stupid and they appreciate the need for the tough measures that must come. They will cast a cold eye, grit their teeth and carry the dossers and their laughably twee ideas about social cause and effect, on their backs once again.

POTY

Jonsmith wrote:[No matter whether they were students or not NSG (and there are plenty of girls in their late teens and early 20s in the Eirigi party by the way): They were trespassing and had to be removed. By force if necessary which it obviously was. How is the Gardai doing their duty thuggish behaviour? The people were told to leave, they refused and necessitated force being used against them.
One lad on RTE was wearing a t-shirt that said "**** Police Brutality" Was he there to protest peacefully?? Or was he just one of the rest of those protesters who turn every protest into a campaign against the Guards as soon as they enforce the law..

The future Minister for Justice has spoken.....Hopefully he'll represent Cavan in a better fashion than the current Agri Minister......

mossbags wrote:

North Side Gael wrote:
The state will face a hell of a lot more serious stuff than this if they continue to implement cuts!

Unlikely. Ireland is still an affluent nation and people only get that agitated when their own pockets are affected. The Students are a prime example, they couldn't care less about pensioners or the HSE, they only feel the kinky urge to protest when their capacity for spending money on drink and drugs is adversely affected.

Cuts are needed across the board only a simpleton or worse, another anachronistic left-wing 'comrade' of which Belfast sadly seems to contain more than its fair share, cannot see that. The vast silent majority are far from stupid and they appreciate the need for the tough measures that must come. They will cast a cold eye, grit their teeth and carry the dossers and their laughably twee ideas about social cause and effect, on their backs once again.

Protect the bond holders, for what reason should the people of this country suffer over anglo irish bond holders..follow the link to find the poor..


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Boxtyeater wrote:

Jonsmith wrote:[No matter whether they were students or not NSG (and there are plenty of girls in their late teens and early 20s in the Eirigi party by the way): They were trespassing and had to be removed. By force if necessary which it obviously was. How is the Gardai doing their duty thuggish behaviour? The people were told to leave, they refused and necessitated force being used against them.
One lad on RTE was wearing a t-shirt that said "**** Police Brutality" Was he there to protest peacefully?? Or was he just one of the rest of those protesters who turn every protest into a campaign against the Guards as soon as they enforce the law..

The future Minister for Justice has spoken.....Hopefully he'll represent Cavan in a better fashion than the current Agri Minister......

You leave Uncle Brendan out of this!

Ah no he's no relation but from the same part of the world.. Won't defend his performance but still I like the man. Good people that all did very well from humble beginnings..

I say lets go back to the 60s and love bomb them all with flowers and melodic tunes ... Lets wear kaftans and beads and proclaim our love for all men - right on brother. As the great Carl Jung used to say 'those who do least, contribute least yet have most are the ones to watch for they will be the most vocal and pernicious. They are the ones with idle hands and only seek others to do their bidding.'