Re: Dublin V Kerry

**mossbags** Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:33 pm

Tom O Sullivan, Declan O Sullivan, Galvin, the O Shea's were the pick of a great Kerry display to-day but Gooch, and indeed Kerry football are living proof that class is permenant.

**mossbags** Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:43 pm

The greatest All-Ireland Final(potentially) in living memory is on people, Tyrone v Kerry.
The 'team of the decade' title is still up for grabs.

**patrique** Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:04 pm

mossbags wrote:The greatest All-Ireland Final(potentially) in living memory is on people, Tyrone v Kerry.
The 'team of the decade' title is still up for grabs.

How could Cork possibly lose to Tyrone?

Look what Cork did to Kerry?

Guest Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:00 am

mossbags wrote:The greatest All-Ireland Final(potentially) in living memory is on people, Tyrone v Kerry.
The 'team of the decade' title is still up for grabs.

of course it is, i said two or three weeks ago that the draw was fixed for kerry to get a handy run to the final and then the kerry and tyrone final would be hyped up as the game of the decade to decide who is the team of the decade. Rolling Eyes

Guest Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:09 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote: But this first step is vital - if they win on Monday they will certainly play in the final - of that I have no doubt.

Well I think its safe to say any Meath or Mayo team would have taken the Dubs apart yesterday.

Ridiculous comments. Don't expect them to be ignored by Meath and Mayo people after what they witnessed yesterday.

Guest Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:47 pm

lino_de_legend wrote:
JOLearysgloves wrote:Not confident. Have been here before, seen it all explode in our faces. Not confident. Wont be going either All the hype the talk the banter, will reach fever pitch and we will come up short, again.

are ya for real! i've never felt more confident. in fact i'm delighted we pulled them. there has never been a better time to get them. there confidence isn't exactly sky high at the mo. but then again there playin the dubs in croker, they could bring there "a" game. still tho, i dont think they can improve that much, they look wrecked . the dubs by at least three! im gonna be optimistic!

just found this one

**JimWexford** Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:26 pm

samin10 wrote:
lino_de_legend wrote:
JOLearysgloves wrote:Not confident. Have been here before, seen it all explode in our faces. Not confident. Wont be going either All the hype the talk the banter, will reach fever pitch and we will come up short, again.

are ya for real! i've never felt more confident. in fact i'm delighted we pulled them. there has never been a better time to get them. there confidence isn't exactly sky high at the mo. but then again there playin the dubs in croker, they could bring there "a" game. still tho, i dont think they can improve that much, they look wrecked . the dubs by at least three! im gonna be optimistic!

just found this one

she did use the words I'm going to be optimistic and no mention of a hammering but was wary of getting beat.

Think most people not all thought that dublin would beat Kerry.
Most of us again not all posted to that effect.

it's getting a bit raw now and I thoght this was a discussion zone not a really rub it in and see what reaction I get zone.
Better team won most dubs appreciate that fact and believe it or not have got on with it as have all others.
An to say this team or that team would beat Dublin is pure horse manure (to refer to that posters fav sport). The question to be asked is what team could/would beat Kerry on that performance TBH only one springs to mind Tyrone no one else who's to say the rest of us would of been blown out of the water by more??

Guest Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:32 pm

Fair enough she was being very optimistic. I would say the Dubs have moved on because they dont want to dwell on it. Pity they couldnt move on as quickly from Armagh, Monaghan or Derrys defeats.

**JimWexford** Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:02 pm

Fair point as well

**Jayo Cluxton** Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:55 pm

samin10 wrote:Fair enough she was being very optimistic. I would say the Dubs have moved on because they dont want to dwell on it. Pity they couldnt move on as quickly from Armagh, Monaghan or Derrys defeats.

Thats a load of b****x Samin and you know it - but you are a little like the other fella with your remarks. Dublin will not and have not moved on from yesterdays defeat for a long time. It was shattering in every sense - don't go being an a****le about it though.

I will take any slagging or criticism about the defeat - on the chin.

**Boxtyeater** Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:16 am

The sheer puerility of some of the comments on this thread does nothing for the credibility of those who posted them.
I could go on but 'twould only bore ye'. Rattles and prams I ask you..... Embarassed

**Jayo Cluxton** Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:57 am

We are a great little country alright Boxty - a grand wee pile indeed! Surprised

Guest Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:11 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote:
samin10 wrote:Fair enough she was being very optimistic. I would say the Dubs have moved on because they dont want to dwell on it. Pity they couldnt move on as quickly from Armagh, Monaghan or Derrys defeats.

Thats a load of b****x Samin and you know it - but you are a little like the other fella with your remarks. Dublin will not and have not moved on from yesterdays defeat for a long time. It was shattering in every sense - don't go being an a****le about it though.

I will take any slagging or criticism about the defeat - on the chin.

Sounds like you're taking it well alright.

Guest Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:18 am

Thats a load of b****x Samin and you know it - but you are a little like the other fella with your remarks. Dublin will not and have not moved on from yesterdays defeat for a long time. It was shattering in every sense - don't go being an a****le about it though.

Yeah because no Armagh, Monaghan or Derry supporter were bothered about being out of the championship. It didnt stop you being an a****le about that. Dont throw your rattle out because its your turn.

**Thomas Clarke** Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:10 am

This was horrible and, for me anyway, unexpected. While recognising Dublin's weaknesses, I thought that they would be too fit and determined for Kerry, who looked sluggish and lacking hunger up til now.

Well, we know now that Kerry still have plenty of hunger. The intensity with which they tore into Dublin was beyond what I've ever seen from a Kerry side, and they harrassed and harried Dublin to the point of complete confusion. Kerry also employed an obivous change in tactics, moving back to a fast-moving, expansive, pre-Donaghy style of play. This also seemed to throw the Dublin backs, who were backing off their men, as if expecting a long ball into the full-forward line. The game was over before they realised what was happening.

If I was Kerryman, while delighted that the fitness and hunger are there, I'd still be concerned that Cork/Tyrone could exploit the lack of pace in the defensive spine of the side (Griffin/McCarthy/O'Se/Scanlon). I'd also wonder what happens if Donaghy returns, and how he would fit into their new way of playing. Walsh certainly struggled to contribute on Monday when he had to come out the field and play.

For Dublin, unfortunately, there are no positives, apart from the fact that they will never again be that bad. It is very rare to see a side beaten before the game starts, but this is what happened to Dublin - they completely froze. 5-time Leinster champions, fresh from 2 very good wins, yet they displayed a shocking inferiority complex when faced by Kerry jerseys. For a side like Kerry, fear is all the invitation they need to take you apart.

Kerry players will have been shocked at how much space they received. The previous day, RTE panelists commented extensively on Donegal's concession of space against Cork, but Dublin's was even worse. Most Donegal players knew the right thing to place to be, but lacked the fitness and speed to get there. Dublin players were just lost. Look at Mike McCarthy's 70yd run to set up the goal. There wasn't a Dublin man near him. Or Cooper's point from the right, when 4 Dubs rushed to the ball like in a schoolyard, and the Gooch stood in acres of space, received the pass and scored without a Dub even in the camera shot. The first half is littered with examples like this, to the extent that I can't remember seeing a side that disorganised at this level.

Before the championship started, I read an interview with Brian Cullen, in which he contrasted the tactical approaches of Caffrey and Gilroy. Cullen said that Gilroy spent less time on tactics than Caffrey, preferring the players to play a more 'off-the-cuff' game. The logic, Cullen explained, was that if Dublin players didn't know what they were going to do with the ball, how could the opposition devise a plan to stop them. I was very concerned for Dublin when I read about this master-plan, and we saw the results of it on Monday. Autonomy is a great thing, but only if you have enough intelligent footballers to make the right decisions time ad again. Dublin don't have enough of these type of players.

Dublin must now start to rebuild. Big name players like Cullen, Griffen, Keaney, Henry, Alan Brogan are not as good as they are made out to be, and while you can't get rid of everyone, Dublin should be aiming to start next year with no more than 6-7 of Monday's team in their first 15. It is a long road for them, but at least things can only get better.

**JOLearysgloves** Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:22 am

Agree with nearly everything u say TC except the Alan Brogan comment. He was head and shoulders above the rest of our forwards Monday and i think emerged with great credit . The only Dublin players I think that should be retained in the 15 are
Cluxton - Heroic
Henry - Never play that bad again, but move him to wing back where he can actually play football
Griffs - But only at full back, no where else
Cahill - Still Class
Alan Brogan - See Above
Bernard Brogan - The best is yet to come
Ciaran Whelan - Still the best MF'r in Dublin

I would get rid of the rest, especially Keaney who for me is THE single most over rated player we have.
Bring back the likes of Fennell, Nolan, Paul Brogan and Davoren.

As for what to do with Bryan Cullen.....the Paul Flynn role perhaps....ah i dunno...... Mad

**redhandman** Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:07 pm

i would get rid of Whealan . cluxton is a star for you's best keeper in ireland IMO.

i think that whealan at his age should be a team leader yet i always think back to an interview he did for the programme for the 125 game under lights read like something student would do - silly , jokey answers now i dont mind a bit of light heartedness and the game should not be taken to the serious levels like that of some of the stick wielders in cork but a bit of maturity should be expected of a 33 year old . all his anwers were taking the piddle

now people might say i am being picky but a bit of maturity and the fight might have lasted a bit longer in the dubs and would have played for a bit of pride.

i think cluxton with his never give up attitude should be the player the team looks up to.

**Jayo Cluxton** Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:47 am

samin10 wrote:
Yeah because no Armagh, Monaghan or Derry supporter were bothered about being out of the championship. It didnt stop you being an a****le about that. Dont throw your rattle out because its your turn.

Disagree Samin - there is a huge difference between banter and invective .... As I said we were s***e by all means have a go but don't go saying things like anyone on GT said we'd hammer Kerry. Cos no-one did.

Guest Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:48 am

Jayo, Derry players were called all sorts after the Monaghan game, you just have to take it on the chin and get on with it.

**Jayo Cluxton** Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:54 am

Bright-Oak wrote:Jayo, Derry players were called all sorts after the Monaghan game, you just have to take it on the chin and get on with it.

First game was despicable BO - game in qualifiers was excellent. I will always call things as I see them.

Guest Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:56 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote:
Bright-Oak wrote:Jayo, Derry players were called all sorts after the Monaghan game, you just have to take it on the chin and get on with it.

First game was despicable BO - game in qualifiers was excellent. I will always call things as I see them.

There have been players from other counties have done worse. Some people are quick to jump on the bandwagon when its about other peoples counties but not so forthcoming about their own.

**Jayo Cluxton** Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:03 am

Rubbish BO - the first game was among the worst I have witnessed. The qualifier game was among the best of the season. It doesn't matter to me who commits what or where he is from. The Dublin full back took Gooch out after a fisted point on Monday and then stood on Star's foot when he was on 'water' duty - if I was in charge he would not kick a ball for Dublin again. This BS of 'well if your man did it, it would be ok' doesn't wash with me. I like honesty in football.

Guest Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:21 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote:
samin10 wrote:
Yeah because no Armagh, Monaghan or Derry supporter were bothered about being out of the championship. It didnt stop you being an a****le about that. Dont throw your rattle out because its your turn.

Disagree Samin - there is a huge difference between banter and invective .... As I said we were s***e by all means have a go but don't go saying things like anyone on GT said we'd hammer Kerry. Cos no-one did.

i didnt say any Dub said you would hammer Kerry, someone asked about who was so confident and i found a post from Lino saying "i have never been more confident". It does not suprise me that you disagree, you obviously can hand out the stick but cannot take any in return. Not that long ago you were slagging the life out of Ulster football, then when the Dubs and Meath provided us with one of the worst games of the year you again could not handle the slagging you got in return.

**bald eagle** Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:51 am

Right, lets just calm down here and relax! There's only one man for the job -

Good old Ryan Farish!!!

**Jayo Cluxton** Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:57 pm

samin10 wrote: It does not suprise me that you disagree, you obviously can hand out the stick but cannot take any in return. Not that long ago you were slagging the life out of Ulster football, then when the Dubs and Meath provided us with one of the worst games of the year you again could not handle the slagging you got in return.

Samin - I like your posts and have no prob with them and believe me I can take any s**t. I think 'Ulster football' this year especially (obv Tyrone aside) is very poor and have said so yes. I thought Donegal were not a good side and that was proved on Sunday. I also thought Dublin were in the mix but was proved horribly wrong too.

Shows what I know but we have to get more emoticons here I think ....

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