Monaghan vs Armagh

The Armagh management HAVE to go. They had absolutely no answer and McDonnell is doing more damage than good. His record speaks for itself...

Cavan - Won
Down - Won
Fermanagh - Draw
Fermanagh - Won
Wexford - Lost
Tyrone - Lost
Monaghan - Lost

We are moving backwards. We cant have McGeeney because I think as long as things are going well with Kildare he will want to stay there and he will honour his contract.

He would seem to be up against it alright. Who would replace McDonnell though? I really don't think McGeeney would be interested in taking over Armagh yet, especially when Kildare are going well. Is there anyone else within the county who could take it on or would an outside man be the way to go?

Brian McAlinden would be the ideal choice. He is doing very well with the U-21's and he built the team up to the 2002 success, then Joe added that belief to the team.

I think if McAlinden took over for 3 or 4 years we would definitly be All Ireland contenders again. We need someone that can build the team up for Geezer and Grimley then them two can come in and finish the job if McAlinden dosent.

I never thought 2007 was the end of Armagh but yesterday I think was. There are going to be a few bad years for Armagh over the next 3 or 4 years, but you never know.

Gaa Fan - having spoke to a few Armagh guys at the Tyrone game they told me in no uncertain terms that Kernan was still calling the shots in Armagh and that Mc Donnell was only a front man - apparently 94% of clubs have voted for Grimley to get the job and only Kernan stepped in at last minute and stopped it. They also said that the reason Mc Grane Mc Keever and co retired was becssue of the way the team was being picked and the regime being implemented by Mc Donnell. They also said both men were being suitably remunerated for their troubles too.

Going by yesterdays performance there would appear to be a lot wrong in Armagh i mean what have they been working on in training since the defeat to Tyrone - they made the exact same stupid mistakes and went in with the same game plan. None of the players looked remotely interested and Stevie Mc Donnell had one of his worst games in an Armagh jersey - the first two subs Armagh made were a joke (also leads me to believe the guys i was referrring to earlier were not telling any lies)

The Armagh bubble has well and truly bust and Mc Geeney wouldnt touch them with a barge pole at present. I t would seem the legacy of Joe Kernan is doing more harm than good. It will be a while before we see Armagh as a force to be reckoned with i think.

I'm honestly not being smart here but could Rory Woods find himself in bother with the CCC after striking last night?

Stevie Mc D also but a ban is neither here nor there considering Armagh are out.

Im 100% certain that a Monaghan play punched Stevie in the face and should have got sent off. Fahy is a **** referee on top of that.

Joe Kernan was definitely pulling the strings, my uncle was manager of an Armagh club and he said to me that Kernan was going to pull the Armagh sponsor - Morgan Fuels, if they didnt appoint who he said. Boyle sports - the bookies was going to sponsor them instead. I use to have a cousin who was on the Armagh panel who has said exactly the same thing to me. Also yesterday Joe told McDonnell to get his boys on to the field and Joe wanted all the glory for the past few years but what people dont realise is that Grimley was the mastermind behind Armagh's success.

Armagh have got the talent they need someone who can pave the way for the future.

Anyway, I have chickenpox so im off to bed.

GAA-Fan wrote:Im 100% certain that a Monaghan play punched Stevie in the face and should have got sent off. Fahy is a **** referee on top of that.

Aye Rory Woods did.

Cluck Cluck..lol

Bright-Oak wrote:I'm honestly not being smart here but could Rory Woods find himself in bother with the CCC after striking last night?

Stevie Mc D also but a ban is neither here nor there considering Armagh are out.

you dont get banned for actual striking its only attempted striking that you get banned for...... Mc Guigan got f**k all for a headbutt on Dooher so Woods will likely get awat scot free.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Yeah I tipped it too - but I really don't like to see the Wickla manager do well. The hungriest man that the GAA ever saw - and I ain't talking medals ..........

i'm with you on that one Jayo and he has many equals in that department of late

Not going to analyse this match too much because to be honest there is very little to analyse. Absolutely terrible game. The referee was a ******* disgrace. Monaghan players got away with blue murder. They were the instigators in the majority of niggly stuff. Any time Ronan Clarke or McDonnell got the ball they were hit with late tackles. Counted at least 4 times Clarke was pulled to the ground and got a knee in the head for his troubles. It was a horrible game, Monaghan dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience.

samin10 wrote:Not going to analyse this match too much because to be honest there is very little to analyse. Absolutely terrible game. The referee was a ******* disgrace. Monaghan players got away with blue murder. They were the instigators in the majority of niggly stuff. Any time Ronan Clarke or McDonnell got the ball they were hit with late tackles. Counted at least 4 times Clarke was pulled to the ground and got a knee in the head for his troubles. It was a horrible game, Monaghan dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience.

in fairness Samin10 the knee in the head/back/ribs was an old trick of Armaghs own creation so you can have little complaint. And i wouldnt blame that for your defeat. You made the exact same mistakes as in the Tyrone game the main one being Clarke wa sisolated on his own and Mc Donnell was getting ball two far out.

bocerty wrote:

samin10 wrote:Not going to analyse this match too much because to be honest there is very little to analyse. Absolutely terrible game. The referee was a ******* disgrace. Monaghan players got away with blue murder. They were the instigators in the majority of niggly stuff. Any time Ronan Clarke or McDonnell got the ball they were hit with late tackles. Counted at least 4 times Clarke was pulled to the ground and got a knee in the head for his troubles. It was a horrible game, Monaghan dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience.

in fairness Samin10 the knee in the head/back/ribs was an old trick of Armaghs own creation so you can have little complaint. And i wouldnt blame that for your defeat. You made the exact same mistakes as in the Tyrone game the main one being Clarke wa sisolated on his own and Mc Donnell was getting ball two far out.

thats pure bull, the Armagh team of a few years ago got alot of unfair criticsm about being too rough. They were hard but fair. (mr mcmenamin kneeing john mcentee in the face, Armagh creation my ass) The refereeing was a disgrace (bit like 2003 all ireland final). We were terrible on the day but at least we tried to concentrate on playing football

Seems a bit like sour grapes Sam. The general concensus is that Monaghan were the better team in a poor game.

Not sour grapes at all, no coincidence Monaghan have been involved in the two worst games of this years championship. Everyone was praising the Tyrone and Armagh match for a good honest game. Both Monaghan games have been low scoring dirty cynical games. You figure it out

There was alot less cynicism or dirt in this game than the Derry-Monaghan game sam, this was more a brutal game with a lack of basic skills on show from both sides. Armagh commited a good few more fouls, dragging down Monaghan players anytime when we were on the attack, needless really and this cost them the game.

Of course there was a bit of dirt, and I wish to god Woods just played football instead of throwing a sly box as he was anonymous, but Armagh were hardly innocent. For all the niggling Dessie does, Stevie Mac threw the first box and got away scot free. Didn't take a genius to see he was losing the rag and sure enough he lashed out again.

mid-mon man wrote:There was alot less cynicism or dirt in this game than the Derry-Monaghan game sam, this was more a brutal game with a lack of basic skills on show from both sides. Armagh commited a good few more fouls, dragging down Monaghan players anytime when we were on the attack, needless really and this cost them the game.

Of course there was a bit of dirt, and I wish to god Woods just played football instead of throwing a sly box as he was anonymous, but Armagh were hardly innocent. For all the niggling Dessie does, Stevie Mac threw the first box and got away scot free. Didn't take a genius to see he was losing the rag and sure enough he lashed out again.

yes McDonnell did hit him and he will be suspended (rightly so) but it was out of pure frustration and not recieving any protection from the referee or umpires. How Clarke kept his temper ill never know. Armagh conceeded more free kicks but in my opinion they did less fouling. The referee in my opinion was very inconsistent, i think he was extremely unfair towards Armagh. As you say though alot of the lack of basic skills is inexcusable. It was a terrible game but i do genuinly feel that Monaghan dragged us into a dirty game and then got the better of us when we were no longer focused on playing football. Its a pity Pat mcEnaney is a Monaghan man and was not able to referee it.

samin10 wrote:

bocerty wrote:

samin10 wrote:Not going to analyse this match too much because to be honest there is very little to analyse. Absolutely terrible game. The referee was a ******* disgrace. Monaghan players got away with blue murder. They were the instigators in the majority of niggly stuff. Any time Ronan Clarke or McDonnell got the ball they were hit with late tackles. Counted at least 4 times Clarke was pulled to the ground and got a knee in the head for his troubles. It was a horrible game, Monaghan dragged us down to their level and beat us with experience.

in fairness Samin10 the knee in the head/back/ribs was an old trick of Armaghs own creation so you can have little complaint. And i wouldnt blame that for your defeat. You made the exact same mistakes as in the Tyrone game the main one being Clarke wa sisolated on his own and Mc Donnell was getting ball two far out.

thats pure bull, the Armagh team of a few years ago got alot of unfair criticsm about being too rough. They were hard but fair. (mr mcmenamin kneeing john mcentee in the face, Armagh creation my ass) The refereeing was a disgrace (bit like 2003 all ireland final). We were terrible on the day but at least we tried to concentrate on playing football

samin go away and catch yourself on - Bellew and Mc Geeney were famed for always sliding in with the knee tackle when a man was on the ground you cant deny that one even the dogs ont he street acknowldge that much - strange though that you choose to highlight the Ricey incident and yet you deny what your own team carried out on numerous occassions. Though it is in keeping with your next post were you talk about poor old Armagh getting dragged into a dog fight with Monaghan - Armagh are about long enough not to get sucked into that bullshit, thats a very lame excuse.

Armagh were not focused from the outset - there are obvious problems in that camp, a complete lack of leadership and the management must accept most of the blame for not having any new ideas and not correcting the problems from the Tyrone game. When you see Mc Donnell getting involved in that sort of stuff you know all is not well - he has taken much more aggro than that down through the years and never reacted, Mc Keever was another disappointment he showed very little urgency. All in all i think most of the team will be glad to see the back of the manager.

Could not be bothered even trying to put my arguement to you.

First paragraph. Wrong

Second paragraph 50% right.

Sam,

If we had another day out I think we would improve. In my honest opinion I dont think Monaghan will they have played in two poor games both games riddled with negative tactic - Armagh were not innocent either but some of those calls from Fahy were a joke. Armagh were never going to win Sam nor are Monaghan but I think we benefitted fromt this game because McDonnell will be leaving soon hopefully.


We have got a talented panel at the moment, McDonnell is a soul destoryer look at Henderson he scored 6-14 this season and McDonnell gives him extra time in the Monaghan match. What a joke! I hope he is sacked the sooner the better as far as im concerened. Nobody wanted him in the first place.

If he is manager next season, there will be quite a few fans who wont want to part with their hard earned cash to watch that type of football.

samin10 wrote:Could not be bothered even trying to put my arguement to you.

First paragraph. Wrong

Second paragraph 50% right.

samin i am only putting my opinion/observations too you - i am not niggling for the sake of it or trying to rile you. But lets face it Armagh were famed for following in with the knee - i fail to see how you can deny that but perhaps when you follow a team you dont see the wood for the trees.

I am interested though to know which part of the second paragraph is right/wrong

i cant remember Armagh ever been famed for that. They were always famed for being a physical side and that was it. The bits in second paragraph about management was spot on. Dont remeber Stevie ever been on recieving end of abuse like that before.