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Two other comments I would make in relation to the game:

1 - Marty Duffy is not related to a referee, let alone one himself.

2 - The director must have been out in the pubs with the fans. How many passages of play did we miss while we were watching replays, supporters in the crowd and the managers? Then showed a replay of a controversial point yet we seen neither ball nor post in the camera shot. Back to studio and analysts talking about the goal while we watched pictures of a completely unrelated moment in the game. Also thought some of the close-ups were amateur enough yet at other times, I'd say the camera man was zoomed out to the max because I couldn't see what was going on.

The goalkeeper fouled the ball at the end, should have been a free to tie it up.

That said, we were in that position due to our own frailties. I agree with Omar about Keating. He gets maybe one of those per game but kicks far too many wides, he was marked very well though. Dunne was equally as bad and should have been off far earlier. The difference was that they had McManus who we gave too much space to.

Best Ulster Championship we've had in 12 years, we're back to being competitive and not just a turn up and beat them out the gate team. There's more to come.

Hi guys,

Analysis on Monaghan's win over Cavan finally up. My sincerest apologies for the delay.
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Emmet

Jonsmith wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:Givney has achieved more in a Cavan jersey than Brady or McKiernan at senior level. You forgot to mention that Givney is probably the strongest character in this team, probably the real leader even though he isn't captain. McKiernan is a huge loss though. It's a real shame he did his cruciate injury.

Care to explain this bit? In fact you can explain all of it if you like, when the going got tough in the last 2 games it wasn't Givney that turned things around for us. I'm probably sounding harsh on him, don't get me wrong I think he has amazing ability and he's still very young.

Jack Brady is in his first full season as a Cavan senior. And he's been injured for all of the championship games so far. There is no way you can claim he's achieved more at senior level than Givney. But I do agree - a fabulous footballer with lots potential and still only 21. You have a soft spot for him, that's obvious in your posts here and elsewhere.

McKiernan took longer to break into the senior set-up than Givney - only really making the breakthrough in 2011. Givney has been involved since 2008 when Carr was in charge. Even on those dark days when Cavan exited the ulster championship at the hands of teams like Antrim and Fermanagh, it was Givney who gave supporters hope for the future. His performances at midfield for Cavan led Joe Kernan to compare him to the legendary Dara O'Se and Paul McGrane.

Didn't make the game yesterday but a solid performance from Cavan according to those at it. Quigley decided at half time that he was going to do a job on Mackey (as he did in Brewster) to curb his influence and thankfully saw the line for it.

Hard to know what to say about Forde. He was never this bad while he was with the U21s. Great to see such passion (something previous management teams were sorely lacking) but there's a way to channel that and getting involved with opposition players is not on at all. That said, it doesn't seem to affect the players who show more of Hyland's mentality and kept the heads yesterday in the face of a lot of provocation from the Fermanagh players.

Delighted to hear that Givney lorded things in the midfield yesterday. And solid consistent performances from plenty of other lads, great to see. Cavan have played with almost the same team in 4 consecutive games. Completely unheard of for us! Usually a loss is followed by a huge shake up and re inventing the wheel.

We are certainly in bonus territory now and a favourable draw could even give us a chance of getting through to the final round of the qualifiers. The one team I don't want to be picked against is Armagh. Anybody else but Armagh...

Great year so far, serious credit goes to Terry Hyland. We're no world beaters and we're a long way off being a real contender for an Ulster title or a Croker appearance but look at where we were 2 years ago.. At home in Breffni as Longford tore us to shreds, our captain fantastic standing in the corner with his hands on his hips shaking his head, dressing room arguments after the game. We were one of the bottom 5 teams in the country at that stage. In Hyland's first year in charge he has got a solid base of players, got them all singing off the same Hymn sheet and made them difficult to beat. Progress might be slow and yes we haven't faced any top Division 2 sides but for me that is massive progress in one year.

Congrats to Cavan
Have to admit I was somewhat sceptical of the progress. I thought they caught Armagh on the hop and 2 wins versus Fermanagh not exactly a quantum leap, but tonight's win complete with an impressive tally against back door specialists and Division two champs Derry is certainly huge progress.

Congratulations to Cavan an excellent results and a place in the last 12 and a game against London/Mayo

Baxtards! But well done all the same, reports i'm hearing is we were fortunate to get ET never mind almost steal it at the death! 1 point is ET is never gonna even give you a chance so all in al a fully deserved victory for Cavan as they now prepare for an All Ireland QF with a bye in the next round! ;-)

I hate the term 'Back Door Specialists'!

A great result for Cavan, and they will now relish the chance to make it to Croke Park for the first time since 1997 (I think!).

Sounds like it was a great game, and they obviously showed a lot of heart and fitness to get through a game like that away from home. Cavan have now beaten two division 2 sides, and it is a real shame that they won't be in that division themselves next year, as their young lads are clearly ready for the step up in class. Still, they'll not be thinking of that tonight - well done Jonsmith and Cavan!

Savage win lads thanks for the good wishes. Once again work commitments prevented me from attending. (They can take a running jump if they think I'll be missing any more games) I wasn't confident going into the game and was less confident when McLoughlin and McDermott were ruled out. We didn't have a great start but put the foot down once Derry went 3 ahead and kept our noses in front until right at the death. When I heard Derry got the free at the end I was sure that was it but to get the ball up the field and for Damien to pop over the equaliser showed serious spirit.

The commentators noted about the period before ET started that Cavan stayed on the field, went into the shade and stretched and limbered up. Derry went back into what must have been a stifling dressing room and waited a long time before returning to the field. Could that have had an impact? The first few minutes of extra time won Cavan the game when they scored 3 unanswered points.

The most impressive thing about Cavan's victory and getting to extra time especially is that they played the last 10 minutes of the game in normal time without Captain Alan Clarke, Givney, Martin Dunne and Cian Mackey. McVeety and Argue (with one and two years left at U21 respectively) both got vital scores from us, I never dreamed that either of them would see Championship football.

We will probably be playing London next unless we see the mother of all shocks tomorrow. I sincerely hope they put it up to Mayo, if nothing else it would put to bed any complacency that may creep into the Cavan Camp. We have improved but not so much that we can take any game for granted. Already a tweet from Killian Clarke mentioning an AIQF, Derry took us for granted we don't want to make the same mistake.

Heady days indeed and a trip to Croker would be special, we could well be the surprise package of this years Championship. Hard luck to Derry, Brolly even gave us some backhanded compliments on twitter. This day 16 years ago we beat Derry in the Ulster Final!!

Jonsmith wrote:The commentators noted about the period before ET started that Cavan stayed on the field, went into the shade and stretched and limbered up. Derry went back into what must have been a stifling dressing room and waited a long time before returning to the field. Could that have had an impact?  

A hugely valid point JS and well done BTW. There won't be a cow milked in Corlough for a week....

I fully concur with this sentiment, keep the lads mobile, on their feet, tipping about.

I remember the day of the 1966 WC Final, The Huns retreated to the dressing room, while Ramsay kept the Brits on the pitch, strolling around among them, offering encouragement and such. Nobby Stiles had a small lie-down for a rub on his calf and Sir Alf fooked him up and made him jog.

Arise Sir Terence....The "Rocks of Bawn" will be heaving tonight....

Great win in Derry and impressive scoring total. London to come who you want in Croker? Kerry again like 1997??

Especially for Jonsmith....The bould Declan Nerney....

Gaa_lover wrote:Great win in Derry and impressive scoring total. London to come who you want in Croker? Kerry again like 1997??

Definitely Kerry. Donegal after that. Dublin would be a nightmare. All assuming we get that far, definitely.

Jonsmith wrote:

Gaa_lover wrote:Great win in Derry and impressive scoring total. London to come who you want in Croker? Kerry again like 1997??

Definitely Kerry. Donegal after that. Dublin would be a nightmare. All assuming we get that far, definitely.

Don't tempt faith but you should beat London who have six day turnaround after expected heavy defeat.

Gaa_lover wrote:Great win in Derry and impressive scoring total. London to come who you want in Croker? Kerry again like 1997??

Tasteless....

As Micko might say "I can assure you, London won't fear Cavan" and rightly so...

I assume the Tyrone and Meath contingent will be coming to Croker early to cheer on their fellow Ulstermen/Neighbours?

Jonsmith wrote:I assume the Tyrone and Meath contingent will be coming to Croker early to cheer on their fellow Ulstermen/Neighbours?

Not at all.  A large part of my life has been lived in London(ish), so I'll be cheering on my 2 counties against the Breffni/Royal men.  Just hope Tyrone don't draw London in a semi final, as I'd be torn apart with divided loyalties...

Thomas Clarke wrote:

Jonsmith wrote:I assume the Tyrone and Meath contingent will be coming to Croker early to cheer on their fellow Ulstermen/Neighbours?

Not at all.  A large part of my life has been lived in London(ish), so I'll be cheering on my 2 counties against the Breffni/Royal men.  Just hope Tyrone don't draw London in a semi final, as I'd be torn apart with divided loyalties...

What's the view on the match TC? I'm very cautious about being too optimistic. I've been to Croker 5 times in the to see different Cavan sides play and the best I've seen is a draw!.. If you can't get past London on a huge day in Croker to get into an AIQF, you don't deserve to be in an AIQF.

Jonsmith wrote: If you can't get past London on a huge day in Croker to get into an AIQF, you don't deserve to be in an AIQF.

That sums it up, and would be my view on Tyrone/Meath also.

Cavan will win this, because they are a much better side than London. I've seen London's last 2 matches, and I just can't see them getting close to you. They will be dirty and hit hard, but Croke Park should suit your faster players. I can't see anything other Cavan winning comfortably.

Team selection will give Terry a headache..
Niall McDermott got a concussion in the second Fermanagh game that ruled him out of last weekend, Martin Reilly started in place of him and was MOTM against Derry, he kicked a few wonderful points, and it wasn't a once off, he came on for the final 15 against Armagh and won two breaks that led directly to scores just after Armagh's goal when the game could have gone either way. But McDermott had a great game against Armagh, Fermanagh and Monaghan.
Jack Brady for me hasn't been as impressive as McDermott or Reilly but Terry won't want to drop him, he is utterly dependable and will take the right option almost every time.

Argue made a great impression against Derry, only called into the Senior Panel 3 weeks ago he came on against Derry scored 2 points and hit the post. McVeety carried on where he left off at U21, composed and solid on the ball, chipped in with 2 points himself. Neither will get a starting spot but at least we know we have options on the bench.

I think if McLoughlin is fit he'll come back in because he's the paciest defender we have, Terry might start McDermott for what will be a physical opening and then bring Reilly on when the game opens up.

Jonsmith wrote:I assume the Tyrone and Meath contingent will be coming to Croker early to cheer on their fellow Ulstermen/Neighbours?

Meath are likely to leave a small contingent at home, in order to pelt ye' with assorted missiles on your return journey through Kells....

Boxtyeater wrote:

Jonsmith wrote:I assume the Tyrone and Meath contingent will be coming to Croker early to cheer on their fellow Ulstermen/Neighbours?

Meath are likely to leave a small contingent at home, in order to pelt ye' with assorted missiles on your return journey through Kells....

Confident in the knowledge that we'll passing through Kells to avoid the tolls on the motorway...  

What are the thoughts within Cavan on Peter Donnelly, JS? It certainly looks like he has them fit.

(For those not familiar with Peter, he was an outstanding AI minor winning captain for Tyrone in 2001, playing midfield in the AI U21 final a week later. Hovered around the Tyrone senior panel for several seasons, but was never able to make the step up. He is now living in Cavan, and is the trainer for the Breffni senior team.)