Dublin vs Kildare

Rupp wrote:i think through gilroy they are finaly seeing that they have to win all there games to get to the final.

Do people not think before they write these things? Rupp, what is the above comment supposed to mean, are you trying to say that the root of Pillar's failings was not realising he had to win all the games to reach the final?

Pillar was very short of what is required Loyal - and I know him well. Its a fair comment - too much rubbish under him. Giller means business.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Pillar was very short of what is required Loyal - and I know him well. Its a fair comment - too much rubbish under him. Giller means business.

And Pillar didn't? He was just passing through, filled out the application form and Harrington signed him up?

Pillar didn't do too bad all things considered, four Leinsters is a record most managers would be proud of. All he can do is prepare the team, once they step across the white line, its in the player's hands and they blew it time and time again.

Anyway, all that is besides the point, the above comment by Rupp was one of the most cringe-inducing posts I've ever read.

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote: All he can do is prepare the team, once they step across the white line, its in the player's hands and they blew it time and time again.

Rubbish Loyal. For a start preparation was obviously poor - discipline was bad, players seem to do what they like, the Mayo rubbish probably cost us the game. As for it being in the player's hands - have you ever heard of sustitutions? Did you see the ones yesterday?

Have you noticed Mickey Harte's tactical acumen during a game - time and again? Talking rot my friend. Pillar did ok but was limited and would never have delivered Sam.

Discipline? Ger Brennan hit Brian Meade in the Meath game and then turns around and does the same thing again a few weeks later. Brogans still have an attitude problem. Pillar or no Pillar, there is still a discipline problem with a lot of Dublin players.

Manager prepares the team, if the fifteen on the field don't cut it, then all the substitutions in the world won't make a difference. For the last few years, Dublin hadn't the quality of player that Tyrone and Kerry had, blaming the manager is a cryptic way of saying as much. Pillar got all he could out of the Dublin team, in my opinion even more, the sum of the individual parts amounted to less than what the Dublin team produced as a whole.

A lot of the posters on this site blame a lot of their county's shortcomings on their manager.

Totally disagree on a number of fronts. First Brennan has been the only loose cannon and we may have seen the last of him this season. Second - what attitude have the Brogans got - thats complete b****x! Oh by the way I didn't see anyone giving out about PBs third goal celebration - f****ng hilarious that!

I agree Dublin have not had the players to win Sam in recent years but they certainly had a final in them. 2006 is a classic case of Pillar's shortcomings. 7 points up and Ryan brought off and then on again in defence. One example of a few.

Bernard Brogan has to go through the whole jersey kissing, crest pointing, fist waving routine everytime he scores a half-decent point. Alan, the same. Then Whelan has to bring the kid up the steps of HS when the team is recieving the cup, he didn't bring it onto the pitch after the semi defeat last year, did he?

Best team won in 2006, Mayo wanted it more.

So taking your kid up the steps is bad attitude now?

No Loyal I'll tell you about bad attitude. Not staying on the pitch with your whole team and management and acknowledging the team who have beaten you to take Sam - in time honoured GAA tradition of respect - and instead selfishly disappearing down the tunnel. Thats attitude. Take a bow GG - the king of bad attitude.

I see no reason why Whelan felt he had to be seen sporting the young sprog in front of everyone, it was clearly for the cameras. But all I ask is where was family man Ciaran after the semi last year?

GG dosen't have to explain himself, he is GG. Like all, he has done the odd regrettable thing in the heat of the moment. I'm surprised he kept the head on so many occasions too, though thats more testament to his character than anything else.

have to say loyal i think the post you refered to there was well made, having played in dublin and know a couple that where on the panel in the piller era most will tell you the way he worked was not the way you will win all-irelands, he had a closed panel for a start, simply put he had about 17 players who where going to feature and that was it and this was from one of those 17!!! gilroy is different, he is astue, shrewd and thinks before he acts something piller rarely did, remember after the meath fiasco>? i think you where one of the people giving out about the way he handled himself then? i dont think gilroy would have acted the same!!! will be interesting to see how he sorts brennan out though

rich dublin wrote:have to say loyal i think the post you refered to there was well made,

You on the sauce Rich? Have a look back thru the posts here - think you are getting me and Loyal mixed up.

Its very easy to recall when Loyal makes a valid point so rare are they - and he certainly hasn't made one in this thread ...

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

rich dublin wrote:have to say loyal i think the post you refered to there was well made,

You on the sauce Rich? Have a look back thru the posts here - think you are getting me and Loyal mixed up.

Its very easy to recall when Loyal makes a valid point so rare are they - and he certainly hasn't made one in this thread ...

i ment rupps post was well made, he was on about that above

Yeah I knew you couldn't be referring to our anabolic cycling fanatic ......

Give me strength, Rupp said:

"i think through gilroy they are finaly seeing that they have to win all there games to get to the final"

Now are you telling me that is a point well made? It is possibly one of the most ridiculous posts in the history of this forum?

>>Rich>> I don't know where you get your info from but Pillar used a lot more than 17 players each year, so much for a closed panel!

Stephen Cluxton, David Henry, Ross McConnell, Paul Griffin, Paul Casey, Byran Cullen, Barry Cahill, Ciaran Whelan, Darren Magee, Collie Moran, Shane Ryan, Diarmuid Connolly, Conal Keaney, Alan Brogan, Tomas Quinn, Ray Cosgrove, Jason Sherlock, Mark Vaughan, Bernard Brogan, Coman Goggins, Declan Lally, Kevin Bonner, Ger Brennan, Johnny Magee!

24 different players used by Pillar in 2007 Championship!

Stephen Cluxton, Niall O'Shea, Barry Cahill, David Henry, Paul Casey, Coman Goggins, Paul Griffin, Ciaran Whelan, Shane Ryan, Kevin Bonner, Byran Cullen, Alan Brogan, Tomas Quinn, Conal Keaney, Mark Vaughan, Peader Andrews, Jason Sherlock, Declan Lally, Ray Cosgrove, David O'Callaghan, Senan Connell, Declan O'Mahony, Darren Magee, Collie Moran, Stephen O'Shaughnessy,

25 different players used by Pillar in 2006 Championship!

I could probably dig out something else if this isn't good enough.

fantastic there loyal, but you are missing my point, while your at the statistics there find out how many of those players played a full game in eother year? how many where " used" because of injury or suspention? how many actually started a game? then come back!!!!! and by closed panel as if you did not know i ment that a panel was picked without trials and that was it for the year, didnt matter how you played for you club the county team door was closed once the origonal panel was picked at the start of the year!!!

Your interest in the well being of Dublin football is heartening Loyal. Is it Pillar's Breffni blood that makes you a staunch defender?

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Your interest in the well being of Dublin football is heartening Loyal. Is it Pillar's Breffni blood that makes you a staunch defender?

All I'm saying is that Pillar was an alright manager, he's certainly not the reason Dublin haven't delivered on the biggest stage, nor is he part of the reason.

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Your interest in the well being of Dublin football is heartening Loyal. Is it Pillar's Breffni blood that makes you a staunch defender?

All I'm saying is that Pillar was an alright manager, he's certainly not the reason Dublin haven't delivered on the biggest stage, nor is he part of the reason.

loyal you have just there messed your whole argument up, how can you say he was not a part of it? sure he was the manager!!! thats like saying sean boylan was not part of meath winning all those all irelands, or micky harte had nothing to do with tyrones success!!! your points are finished after that statement!!!

All I am saying is that he was limited and was we were no nearer Sam after his 4 years than before - and he was also part of the TL regime. This year you can see a clear improvement in terms of attitude, playing style, discipline and determination - with more or less the same players.

rich dublin wrote:fantastic there loyal, but you are missing my point, while your at the statistics there find out how many of those players played a full game in eother year? how many where " used" because of injury or suspention? how many actually started a game? then come back!!!!! and by closed panel as if you did not know i ment that a panel was picked without trials and that was it for the year, didnt matter how you played for you club the county team door was closed once the origonal panel was picked at the start of the year!!!

To be honest, I am not a fan of trials. Very unfair means of digging out the best players in a county, wouldn't be a fan of them at all at all. Most managers pick a 35-40 man panel at the start of the year and use these players for the rest of the campaign. By the time the championship comes around, a manger should know his best 15 so your argument about lads not starting is meaningless. Obviously if a player gets injured/suspended, then he will turn to the next best player on the bench. I would prefer anyway to work with the same lads the whole way throughout the year, drafting in a few new faces because they played 1 decent club match upsets the rhythm of things.

rich dublin wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Your interest in the well being of Dublin football is heartening Loyal. Is it Pillar's Breffni blood that makes you a staunch defender?

All I'm saying is that Pillar was an alright manager, he's certainly not the reason Dublin haven't delivered on the biggest stage, nor is he part of the reason.

loyal you have just there messed your whole argument up, how can you say he was not a part of it? sure he was the manager!!! thats like saying sean boylan was not part of meath winning all those all irelands, or micky harte had nothing to do with tyrones success!!! your points are finished after that statement!!!

If the players aren't god enough, there is **** all a manager can do. He got the best out of the cards he was dealt.

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rich dublin wrote:

If the players aren't god enough, there is **** all a manager can do. He got the best out of the cards he was dealt.

Disagree totally - there was so much of a circus and a laissez faire attitude some of the time - he most certainly did NOT get the best out of the players at his disposal. The proof may be in the pudding this year - we will see.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:All I am saying is that he was limited and was we were no nearer Sam after his 4 years than before - and he was also part of the TL regime. This year you can see a clear improvement in terms of attitude, playing style, discipline and determination - with more or less the same players.

I can't, its the same Dublin to me and when they meet Tyrone/Kerry/Derry/Cork, it will be the same old story.

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Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

rich dublin wrote:

If the players aren't god enough, there is **** all a manager can do. He got the best out of the cards he was dealt.

Disagree totally - there was so much of a circus and a laissez faire attitude some of the time - he most certainly did NOT get the best out of the players at his disposal. The proof may be in the pudding this year - we will see.

how did you get a wuote from me like that?? methinks there is something going on