ilegal payments to GAA managers

Look we all know they happen. I have just seen an article on HS Steps taken to stamp out manager payments making County secretaries and Chairpersons sign sworn affidavits saying no ilegal payments are to be made. In the same article it states that Paraic Duffy state at a Dinner in Dublin last year he was aware of a "well-known mercenary" manager in Ulster who received unofficial payments of £30,000 received from two prominent businessmen is the HS quote.

anyone care to speculate who this Mercenary manager in Ulster is?

Peter Solan the Great wrote:anyone care to speculate who this Mercenary manager in Ulster is?

mharte

there isnt a county manager in the country not gettin paid in one way or another

whiterbananas wrote:there isnt a county manager in the country not gettin paid in one way or another

or a club manager

mullins wrote:

Peter Solan the Great wrote:anyone care to speculate who this Mercenary manager in Ulster is?

mharte

dont think its Harte - could be any one of a number of managers

bocerty wrote:

mullins wrote:

Peter Solan the Great wrote:anyone care to speculate who this Mercenary manager in Ulster is?

mharte

dont think its Harte - could be any one of a number of managers

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I have a good inkling who he is talking about. Its not one person but a combo that has been recenly separated.

[quote="Peter Solan the Great"]Look we all know they happen. I have just seen an article on HS Steps taken to stamp out manager payments making County secretaries and Chairpersons sign sworn affidavits saying no ilegal payments are to be made. In the same article it states that Paraic Duffy state at a Dinner in Dublin last year he was aware of a "well-known mercenary" manager in Ulster who received unofficial payments of £30,000 received from two prominent businessmen is the HS quote. /quote]

I do know that Damian Cassidy charged his own club Bellaghy £10,000 per year to manage them and that the money was paid by a local businessman who owned a massive steelworks and coachbuilding business that used to sponsor Derry (Not Sperrin Metal or Galvanisers)

Peter Solan the Great wrote:he was aware of a "well-known mercenary" manager in Ulster who received unofficial payments of £30,000 received from two prominent businessmen[/i] is the HS quote.

All this fuss over £30k.....What is it only the price of a middling car? These managers rack up serious miles looking at junior and intermediate matches along with the county senior team duties. We can hardly expect them to be thumbing lifts around the place now can we?????
Probably mileage in it for the business man..."ask not what your county can do for you blah blah..."

mullins wrote:

whiterbananas wrote:there isnt a county manager in the country not gettin paid in one way or another

or a club manager

non sense, plenty of club managers around who don't look for a penny.....The only men who get paid are the outside managers, no local man should ever look for so much as a red cent for training his own

mullins wrote:

Peter Solan the Great wrote:anyone care to speculate who this Mercenary manager in Ulster is?

mharte

What makes you think that it is Mickey Harte, Mullins?

Pretty serious allegation, in both the eyes of the association and taxman. I'm guessing you have some proof, or at least inside knowledge, on the subject?

Personally, I'd be stunned if Mickey Harte is getting anything more than expenses from Tyrone.

Thomas Clarke wrote:

mullins wrote:

Peter Solan the Great wrote:anyone care to speculate who this Mercenary manager in Ulster is?

mharte

What makes you think that it is Mickey Harte, Mullins?

Pretty serious allegation, in both the eyes of the association and taxman. I'm guessing you have some proof, or at least inside knowledge, on the subject?

Personally, I'd be stunned if Mickey Harte is getting anything more than expenses from Tyrone.

Curious as to why someone would figure that its Harte or any manager managing his native county (e.g McCartan) is being accused when the article uses the term Mercanary which to me clearly suggests that it is a manager not managing his native county.

Totally agree Omar. Particularly with the larger counties, where such jobs are coveted. I mean, I would doubt very much if Jack O'Connor is getting more than expenses in Kerry, or Pat Gilroy, or Counihan, or McCartan, as you say.

Hard one to call.
Personally think if that is true regarding Bellaghy then the club need to take a good long hard look at themselves.
Clubs going broke over paying a manager is stupidity of the highest order, most of the time the don't even win.
Agree with TC and OMAR find it hard to believe a native man is interested in getting any more that what is due to him/her.
Times like these will make it worse because clubs/counties will be looking for short term success and looking more increasingly at the "outside man bullshit syndrome". I know it will raise its head in our place this year but those ignorant of the club and the mess it was left in (talking about discipline and structure on the field, etc) can't even fathom how good a job was done in our place this year, granted we had higher expectations (but every year you always do) and defeat/elimination always leaves a cold hard clinical appraisal of the game rather than the overall picture.

I really believe no club should pay a trainer/manager as this is training curve for them to get the ultimate role an inter county gig. But then you hear about "managers" who will only do clubs and usually 2/3 clubs in different counties and its all for the cash. Famous KK holiday hurler was doing a club in Wexford a few years ago €140 a night/session and they ended up winning football rather than hurling titles make you wonder!!. At the same time he was also "looking after" 2 other club teams in different counties.

I know of a manager of an Intermediate club side who is getting E1200 a month for 10 months of the year.

JimWexford wrote:
I really believe no club should pay a trainer/manager as this is training curve for them to get the ultimate role an inter county gig.

Agree 100% Jim, i've managed a few club teams in Derry before moving away (never my own), i always managed at Senior level and i have to say i couldn't find it in me to look for payment from any of them, jesus one of them i didn't even take the expenses from - i donated it for underage gear!

I did get a call from an Armagh club once who invited me to a meeting with the view of managing them, i went down to meet up with them and was stunned when they offered me payments that would have totalled £8,000 if i could get them to win certain competitions! I had already been offered the job at a Derry club (the one i donated my expenses back to) who were p!ss poor and potless, so i took them and managed to be pretty successful with them. I just couldn't bring myself to coach for money, the fun would have went out of it and the pressure would have increased by a sh!tload! It's not about the money for me, it never has been and i hate hearing about managers getting "payment"!

I certainly don't think Mickey Harte is getting payed, that's for sure!

Dr.Shephard wrote:I know of a manager of an Intermediate club side who is getting E1200 a month for 10 months of the year.

Was he a local or an outsider, going rate for an outside coach manager is normally around 150 a session depending on their reputation....

The Puke wrote:

Dr.Shephard wrote:I know of a manager of an Intermediate club side who is getting E1200 a month for 10 months of the year.

Was he a local or an outsider, going rate for an outside coach manager is normally around 150 a session depending on their reputation....

Going rate in this part of the world would be €70/90 Euro a session

Who here would class Mick O'Dwyer a mercenary manager?

Peter Solan the Great wrote:Who here would class Mick O'Dwyer a mercenary manager?

Dwyer could hardly be deemed a mercenary manager Peter, he does it because counties ask him, for his knowledge and other ancillary talents.
Granted, he has to get a modicum of expenses, he'd hardly be expected to drive from Waterville for nothing. He's a man who, I'm told, was never that fond of money and puts in this effort "for the love of it"......
Sure at his age, he'd hardly be short of a shekel, between the various enterprises he's been engaged in.....not a mercenary....and no tow-bar on the hearse....

JimWexford wrote:

The Puke wrote:

Dr.Shephard wrote:I know of a manager of an Intermediate club side who is getting E1200 a month for 10 months of the year.

Was he a local or an outsider, going rate for an outside coach manager is normally around 150 a session depending on their reputation....

Going rate in this part of the world would be €70/90 Euro a session

Hurling or Football....

The Puke wrote:

JimWexford wrote:

The Puke wrote:

Dr.Shephard wrote:I know of a manager of an Intermediate club side who is getting E1200 a month for 10 months of the year.

Was he a local or an outsider, going rate for an outside coach manager is normally around 150 a session depending on their reputation....

Going rate in this part of the world would be €70/90 Euro a session

Hurling or Football....

Both

Tis 150 here or there abouts for the usual suspects like Fergie Touhy, Fergie O'Loughlin, Sean Hehir, John Meskell, Liam O'Donoghue....You would get a lad with trying to make a name for himself for a bit less.....Yet for all of this off the top of my head the last 6 county champions have all been trained/managed by local men

Boxtyeater wrote:

Peter Solan the Great wrote:Who here would class Mick O'Dwyer a mercenary manager?

Dwyer could hardly be deemed a mercenary manager Peter, he does it because counties ask him, for his knowledge and other ancillary talents.
Granted, he has to get a modicum of expenses, he'd hardly be expected to drive from Waterville for nothing. He's a man who, I'm told, was never that fond of money and puts in this effort "for the love of it"......
Sure at his age, he'd hardly be short of a shekel, between the various enterprises he's been engaged in.....not a mercenary....and no tow-bar on the hearse....

You couldn't be more wrong ...... as Charlie might have said .. the hugriest of them all ....

Cost of paying the Monaghan managment "team" for 2010 = 80,000

Thats an absolute disgrace.
This is repeated throughout the country, what are we thinking?

Managers who take money should be hung out to dry like Seannie Fitzpatrick and Co !

Yours In Sport,
Joseff