Opinions

Now, we are all entiltled to them agreed?

How come on this forum if someone doesn't agree with a certain persons opinion they call for threads to be banned, tells the other person to give over etc. We are all entitled to say what we want to say thats the God given right of free speech. If you don't like what you are reading then don't read on, otherwise give your opinion and be prepared to recieve others peoples back back. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them wrong.

Comprendez?!

Got your message 1st. time there girl - you're spot on.
I made a similiar point on one of the "condolence" threads earlier which seemed to stymie the board for the night.
Cough it up and spit it out is my motto, if you are wrong, genuinely mistaken or give personal offence be big enough to admit your mistake, forgive and forget and move on.
'Tis a forum board not a créché we're in.
Top call there Niamh.......

And it's only by hearing and understanding others opinions that your own view has a context. You don't have to like or agree with others opinions but there is a value to you in reading them and understanding them.

RMDrive wrote:And it's only by hearing and understanding others opinions that your own view has a context. You don't have to like or agree with others opinions but there is a value to you in reading them and understanding them.

I agree with this point 100% But I feel that the dictatorial attitudes adopted, mitigated against the general spirit of the forum.
Hence my thinly veiled criticism of the views being propagated (which I alluded to, on as many topics as could sustain such views) tonight.
That said, my view is that the thread starter has made an extremely valuable and valid point.

Boxtyeater wrote:

RMDrive wrote:And it's only by hearing and understanding others opinions that your own view has a context. You don't have to like or agree with others opinions but there is a value to you in reading them and understanding them.

I agree with this point 100% But I feel that the dictatorial attitudes adopted, mitigated against the general spirit of the forum.
Hence my thinly veiled criticism of the views being propagated (which I alluded to, on as many topics as could sustain such views) tonight.
That said, my view is that the thread starter has made an extremely valuable and valid point.

Yeah, what he said [I think].

If this is about the Michael Jackson topics the topics were locked not deleted. Your views can still be seen on the matter.

GAA-Fan wrote:If this is about the Michael Jackson topics the topics were locked not deleted. Your views can still be seen on the matter.

I don't think it's about that TBH, although I could be picking it up wrong.

RMDrive wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:If this is about the Michael Jackson topics the topics were locked not deleted. Your views can still be seen on the matter.

I don't think it's about that TBH, although I could be picking it up wrong.

Lil mentioned that MJ jokes should be locked.

The only reason I have locked it is because, it will give the forum a bad reputation and might put off potential new members.

GAA-Fan wrote:

RMDrive wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:If this is about the Michael Jackson topics the topics were locked not deleted. Your views can still be seen on the matter.

I don't think it's about that TBH, although I could be picking it up wrong.

Lil mentioned that MJ jokes should be locked.

The only reason I have locked it is because, it will give the forum a bad reputation and might put off potential new members.

It was completely correct to lock the threads IMO. As far as I can see there were 3 options:
1. Leave it as an "anything goes" situation - obviously not viable as the site has it's reputation to protect.
2. Let things move on but moderate/delete posts that took things too far - an ok option but what is too far? How far should things be let go? Are jokes about paedophelia (sp) ok?
3. Lock all threads and stop further posts on the issue - a bit sever I admit but probably the simplist and easiest of the 3.

#3 is the only option IMO. It's not fair in some ways and stops people from posting about a popular topic but at the end of the day there are plenty of other things to talk about.

This site is only in its infancy so having a good reputaion is essential.

This reminds me a bit of the whoo-ha about the "Danish cartoons" a few years ago. Just because it's your viewpoint doesn't give you the right to enforce it on the world.

And as for the current happenings, if people are getting so sensitive and upset about someone they've never met or interacted with, then I'd hate to see how badly they'll cope with losing somebody they actually know, never mind a close friend or family member.

Admin, I understand why you feel the need to do this, but are we really in a situation where three posters complaining dictates to the rest of us?

Bright-Oak wrote:Now, we are all entiltled to them agreed?

How come on this forum if someone doesn't agree with a certain persons opinion they call for threads to be banned, tells the other person to give over etc. We are all entitled to say what we want to say thats the God given right of free speech. If you don't like what you are reading then don't read on, otherwise give your opinion and be prepared to recieve others peoples back back. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them wrong.

Comprendez?!

I agree with the sentiments posted here. Kudos to Oakey for the views. It should be clear to all where this has come from and feel free to take the desired action. But bear in mind that most posters/visitors to forum boards enjoy a bit of banter and one-liners.
If this forum is to succeed then it will require a reputation for openness and transparency.
We're not all, I'm sure righteous, pious worshippers of false God's.
Come back if you need any further clarification on my views.
Forum boards the world over are having the same "issues" proving the PC brigade are are alive and well........

Will put the jokes into comedy zone instead of having topics about him. I guess that would be more suitable.

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy so having a good reputaion is essential.

Do you not think that the actions taking could damage the site's reputation - i.e. minority viewpoint dictating to the board

black&white wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy so having a good reputaion is essential.

Do you not think that the actions taking could damage the site's reputation - i.e. minority viewpoint dictating to the board

Im in two minds about this black&white. Im going to reopen the topics and put them into comedy zone. If the jokes are put there then people cant complain because

1) I have said that everyone can say what they want but in some circumstances a moderator may have to do some editing.

2) If its in comedy section then there are no limits because as far as most people are concerned jokes are controversial and people can say what they want.

GAA-Fan wrote:

black&white wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy so having a good reputaion is essential.

Do you not think that the actions taking could damage the site's reputation - i.e. minority viewpoint dictating to the board

Im in two minds about this black&white. Im going to reopen the topics and put them into comedy zone. If the jokes are put there then people cant complain because

1) I have said that everyone can say what they want but in some circumstances a moderator may have to do some editing.

2) If its in comedy section then there are no limits because as far as most people are concerned jokes are controversial and people can say what they want.

I think that's a sensible approach. Wasn't trying to get on your back about it or anything, just felt there could be a danger of going down the same road as some other message boards, where one complaint (however irrational) is all it takes for posts to be removed.

black&white wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:

black&white wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy so having a good reputaion is essential.

Do you not think that the actions taking could damage the site's reputation - i.e. minority viewpoint dictating to the board

Im in two minds about this black&white. Im going to reopen the topics and put them into comedy zone. If the jokes are put there then people cant complain because

1) I have said that everyone can say what they want but in some circumstances a moderator may have to do some editing.

2) If its in comedy section then there are no limits because as far as most people are concerned jokes are controversial and people can say what they want.

I think that's a sensible approach. Wasn't trying to get on your back about it or anything, just felt there could be a danger of going down the same road as some other message boards, where one complaint (however irrational) is all it takes for posts to be removed.

Thats the danger, you are right. If the forum is moderated a lot then posters will get annoyed that there post is being changed etc. If you let everyone post what they want then its still going to end up with the posters having a dislike for the forum.

[quote="GAA-Fan"][quote="black&white"]

GAA-Fan wrote:Im in two minds about this black&white. .

Sweet Jehus Off again.....

Overall a poor, cowardly call.
You could have closed the threads, even deleted them, but to pander to a bunch of whingers, in this fashion, is a poor shout, especially given the rational posts, mainly espousing the status of the forum and it's right to self expression.
I wouldn't mind but some research locally indicates that the main man was a great-grand- nephew of the legendary Roscommon trainer Bill Jackson, who worked his lifetime in the Arigna Colleries - Fill in the rest yourselves.......
BTW where is the comedy zone? and on a further note.....

it had nothing to do with opinion, freedom of speech etc. however i shall express mine:

the posts made were disrespectful and immoral and anyone with an ounce of dignity should realise that and take them down. I believe this in any situation when somebody had died, especially just mere hours after their death. Personally I think that to start a thread on our growing and respectable forum entitled "THE MICHAEL JACKSON JOKES THREAD" is disgusting and uncalled for. It has clearly offended some posters on this board and also says a lot about some posters as people, who should now be feeling ashamed of themselves.

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy

As are most the contributers.

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy

As are most the contributers.

especially you.

SamiPremier08 wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:This site is only in its infancy

As are most the contributers.

especially you.

What did I do Sami?

Niamh, expressing one's opinion is not the same as making jokes about a dead man, alluding to him being a paedophile when he's hardly a few hours dead.

Go onto any other forum on the website and you will see these jokes flying about, it's humour on the edge and it's the type of humour most comedians these days use in their sketches eg Jimmy Carr, Frankie Boyle etc, it floats some peoples boats others not so much.

With all due respect, these type of Jokes about MJ were floating around long before he died eg,

What does a plastic bag and Michael Jackson have in Common?

They are both White, Plastic and dangerous to children.

I heard that joke about 5 years ago and it's has just been altered slightly now he has died. It was the same thing to happened Jade Goody, the very media that persecuted her were the people making all the plaudits when she died. A lot of people didn't like her in life and they didn't change their opinions after her death which is more power to them for not conforming to how they are 'supposed to act', other simply forgot how she acted in life and the ridiculing the gave her over the BB race issue and made out she was some sort of saint. I think MJ is a fabulous artist and singer, he has created some of the best songs in the history of Music and for that I will always be thankful to him, but on the flip side, as a person I didn't like him so much I though he was odd, a bit of a freak and attention seeker. and as for 'those' allegations, with the evidence that had been given and even MJ's report with Martin Bashair he said 'It is special to share a bed with a young boy', if anyone other than a multi-million selling artist had said that they would be thrown in prison as soon as look at them. Even though he was found innocent, there is still something that sits uneasy with me regarding the entire situation and you have to ask yourself had MJ just been 'Joe Bloggs' without legions of fans outside the Courthouse what would have happened, if he had been found guilty what would the public backlash have been?

So Essie, for all those people that didn't think much of him in life it would be downright hypocritical to do a 180degree turn now he is dead, wouldn't you agree?