Mayo ahead of Derry

See this in foreign territory but don't like posting there any more so adopted it for us!

In a word no.

Derry are miles ahead of Mayo, I would even say Armagh are ahead of Mayo!

Tyrone
Kerry
Cork
Galway
Dublin
Derry
Monaghan
Armagh
Kildare
Mayo

Thats my top 10.

If Dublin lose they will drop to 7th.
If Cork lose they will drop to 5th

Tyrone
Kerry
Galway
Derry
Cork
Monaghan
Dublin
Armagh
Meath
Mayo

That will be the new look top 10 if Cork and Dublin lose.

If they both win it will stay the same.

Sorry addy wrong section can u move it please to GAA!

Oh how I wish Esther and Lil were on as much as they used to! Sparks would fly!

Derry and Mayo are home to some of the greatest female posters in GAA forum history. That is all I will say on the subject, I will probably get the head taken off me if I go any further.

Mayo are not that far down in the top 10. definitely should be above Kildare and Armagh. neither team has done anything of note this year whereas Mayo beat Galway in Tuam, narrowly lost to Kerry in Tralee, and Drew with the All-Ireland champs who had a strong team. id say Mayo are on a par with Derry. you cannot take the league into account when it comes to deciding whos the best for the championship. look at Tipp, class during the league but should have been beaten out the gate against Limerick in the championship

Mayo & Derry on level terms at least

Totally disagree with you on this one.

Mayo are in the right place. Possibly above Kildare but they are not better than Armagh. You cant really take the championship into account either. Mayo and Galway with Sligo on a part time basis dominate Connacht and the rest arent much competition.

In 2008 Mayo didnt get out of the qualifiers. Yet, Kildare did. Might not have been the most exciting team but they still managed it. Its just a matter of opinion. I rated Armagh above Derry a few months ago but Derry so far have gone further than Armagh and rightfully deserve to be above them.

Swinford2009 wrote:Mayo beat Galway in Tuam, narrowly lost to Kerry in Tralee, and Drew with the All-Ireland champs who had a strong team.

Swinford2009 wrote:you cannot take the league into account when it comes to deciding whos the best for the championship

Hmmmm, stick on that alanis morissette CD there Swinford

i have said it time and time again no offence to anyone here and i know my own county are not up to much but how do people rate either derry or monaghan so highly? im sorry but while they have potential they have done nothing in the championship in years. im sorry but nearly beating tyrone or kerry is no good. lietrim nearly beat galway, donegal and mayo in recent years but no one shouts about them, sligo nearly beat loads of teams but we still will not ever get mentioned in any top 10 or top 15 polls.

reality is this. derry are in top 10 so too are monaghan but when was the last final they where in? when was the last title in the championship that they have won? when was the last time they put 3 back to back champioship wins together?

top 10 for me is

tyrone
kerry
galway
cork
dublin
mayo
derry
armagh
monaghan
kildare

Rich,

How can you rate Mayo so highly? Especially higher than Armagh? Ive never seem to got this...Basing everything on finals...Armagh have appeared in more finals and won more finals that what Mayo have yet you have Mayo 2 places above them.

I can go on about beating teams all day, but I dont base my rankings on so and so beating so and so, therefore they have to be higher. Dublin from what I recall have not beaten Armagh in the championship since 2002 but I still rate them better than Armagh.

I see where you are coming from with Derry and Monaghan as they havent been consistent in the championship. But who else is better than them?

rich dublin wrote:i have said it time and time again no offence to anyone here and i know my own county are not up to much but how do people rate either derry or monaghan so highly? im sorry but while they have potential they have done nothing in the championship in years. im sorry but nearly beating tyrone or kerry is no good. lietrim nearly beat galway, donegal and mayo in recent years but no one shouts about them, sligo nearly beat loads of teams but we still will not ever get mentioned in any top 10 or top 15 polls.

reality is this. derry are in top 10 so too are monaghan but when was the last final they where in? when was the last title in the championship that they have won? when was the last time they put 3 back to back champioship wins together?

top 10 for me is

tyrone
kerry
galway
cork
dublin
mayo
derry
armagh
monaghan
kildare

It's a bit of a never ending debate Rich. No one uses the same criteria to rank teams so people will always disagree. For example I would look at your selection and ask what have Galway done to deserve being ranked over Cork? Similarly why would Kildare be ranked over my own team?

It's a debate that will never have an end.

Whoa there Rich, who started talking about Monaghan!? I don't know what you're on about people ranking us so highly, who does that? I'd say we're in the top 8-10 teams possibly(which you say yourself), but I don't see anyone ranking us in the top 4-5 so don't see how you think we're over-rated? If you're talking about finals I suppose I could say the Ulster final 2 years ago. But perhaps you mean AI finals, but if we're going down that road there's not many teams we can talk about. Very unfair to be saying we're crowing about nearly beating Kerry, it takes an excellent team to beat Kerry at that time of the year and we just came up short. Not our fault we got drew against them two years in a row, just bad luck. And I fully believe in 07(probably not 08), we'd have beat any other team, but Kerry were just too good and had too much experience in the end. Hopefully this year the draw will be a bit kinder, but knowing our luck we'll get Armagh! Anyone outside Ulster would be very welcome.

For the record I think that next years division 1 is a fair representation of the top 8 teams in the country at the minute(just about), in my opinion. (You've the likes of Armagh, Kildare who are close and of course Donegal and Westmeath who are just down.) In what order is another thing, but one thing is certain - the top two are out in front by a mile. Still Cork and Galway next best I think.

Agree with you there MMM about Cork, Galway have yet to prove their worth a lot of people are basing them on their potential but they haven't produced the goods in ages and have a lot of problems that sets them aside the top 2. I think Derry, Galway and Dublin are in a par behind the big 2 and Cork and none have done anything to prove otherwise. Meehan can't win Sam on his own- Galways midfield isn't up to scratch and if MM isn't getting ball how can he score.

well if you are to go on this weekend football then it is obvious i know nothing about football because the dubs where jut crap!!! put them in 10th place based on yesterdays match!!!!

I think if you were to set out a list of definitive criteria with a definitive time period then you could come up with a definitive list.
No of wins in Championship since 2000?
No of Provincial Titles won since 2000?
No of times to reach All Ireland final since 2000?
No of times to reach last 4 since 2000?

I think that rather than having numbers 1-10 it should be done in a tiered system:
Kerry and Tyrone would be in the top tier. They have contested and won more All Ireland finals, they have each won provincial crowns in that time and they have been in the last 4 a lot too.
In the second tier, Cork, Galway and Mayo might play less matches to get to the last 4 but would that put them in higher than Dublin or Derry when they would have to play more games to win their provinces? Are Derry better than Dublin because some of the Ulster teams are perceived stronger than the Leinster teams? Or are Dublin stronger because since 2000 they have won more provincial titles than Derry? In 2006 for example Dublin were lucky to come out of Longford with a narrow 2 point win, later that year, Derry were beaten by Longford.
Where do Kildare come in to this? Or why? They beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Limerick last year (hardly world beaters themselves) and were beaten by Wicklow and Cork. Wexford on the other hand beat Meath, Laois, Down and Armagh.
So you have Kerry and Tyrone head and shoulders above everyone and then any number of counties in the next tier including Cork, Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Mayo. In the third teir, on the basis of games won outside of their province, you could add in Wexford, Monaghan and maybe Kildare.

Shinners wrote:I think if you were to set out a list of definitive criteria with a definitive time period then you could come up with a definitive list.
No of wins in Championship since 2000?
No of Provincial Titles won since 2000?
No of times to reach All Ireland final since 2000?
No of times to reach last 4 since 2000?

I think that rather than having numbers 1-10 it should be done in a tiered system:
Kerry and Tyrone would be in the top tier. They have contested and won more All Ireland finals, they have each won provincial crowns in that time and they have been in the last 4 a lot too.
In the second tier, Cork, Galway and Mayo might play less matches to get to the last 4 but would that put them in higher than Dublin or Derry when they would have to play more games to win their provinces? Are Derry better than Dublin because some of the Ulster teams are perceived stronger than the Leinster teams? Or are Dublin stronger because since 2000 they have won more provincial titles than Derry? In 2006 for example Dublin were lucky to come out of Longford with a narrow 2 point win, later that year, Derry were beaten by Longford.
Where do Kildare come in to this? Or why? They beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Limerick last year (hardly world beaters themselves) and were beaten by Wicklow and Cork. Wexford on the other hand beat Meath, Laois, Down and Armagh.
So you have Kerry and Tyrone head and shoulders above everyone and then any number of counties in the next tier including Cork, Dublin, Armagh, Galway, Mayo. In the third teir, on the basis of games won outside of their province, you could add in Wexford, Monaghan and maybe Kildare.

A good effort Shinners but I think if we are all honest we rank teams based on our own opinions and nothing else.
gaainfo has a ranking system that shows the following:
01. Kerry
02. Tyrone
03. Cork
04. Derry
05. Galway
06. Dublin
07. Mayo
08. Monaghan
09. Donegal
10. Kildare
11. Armagh
12. Meath
13. Laois
14. Westmeath
15. Fermanagh
16. Wexford
17. Down
18. Louth
19. Limerick
20. Cavan

This is a scientific and logical ranking system but again people will disagree entirely with it. There are so many variables that can influence a ranking system (over what period, importance of league relative to championship, weighing of provincial competitions etc).
Everyone takes these and forms their own individual ranking - hense the constant disagreement!!