No new rules after all! How will it affect Champo?

So the new rules which were used in the League will not feature in the Championship. Much to the relief of Ulster people - apparently. Maybe there isn't a conspiracy after all Ulsterman - ahem I mean Ulster men!

Anyway - how will this play in the Summer. I think its fair to say that refs were more inclined to tick/black book as a yellow and then use yellow as a 'red' in the League. What way will their scrambled brains work during the white heat of Championship. Hits will be more frequent - harder and faster - and no quarter will be given. Will the refs still be in 'League' mode and be reluctant to even take out a yellow when a foul might even be 'red'? Or will they become card happy in the Championship having had pedestrian and well mannered league games, i.e. if someone gives a belt will the ref be thinking 'not having that' and whip out a red.

It will be interesting to see I feel...

Jayo Cluxton wrote:So the new rules which were used in the League will not feature in the Championship. Much to the relief of Ulster people - apparently. Maybe there isn't a conspiracy after all Ulsterman - ahem I mean Ulster men!

Anyway - how will this play in the Summer. I think its fair to say that refs were more inclined to tick/black book as a yellow and then use yellow as a 'red' in the League. What way will their scrambled brains work during the white heat of Championship. Hits will be more frequent - harder and faster - and no quarter will be given. Will the refs still be in 'League' mode and be reluctant to even take out a yellow when a foul might even be 'red'? Or will they become card happy in the Championship having had pedestrian and well mannered league games, i.e. if someone gives a belt will the ref be thinking 'not having that' and whip out a red.

It will be interesting to see I feel...

I think you have hit the nail on the head there JC. I reckon the ultimate outcome of the experimental punishments will be a "softening" of how the games are reffed (sp?). Tackles that deserve yellows will instead get ticks and we will end up with a championship that will be even more cynical than previous years.

RMDrive wrote:We will end up with a championship that will be even more cynical than previous years.

Yep RMD - a big fear of mine too I have to say!

Not necessarily. The experimental rules used in the league should at least altered the mindset of referees/managers/ even players that those who blatantly employ cynical measures are very much on the radar and I could see more straight reds being dished out this Summer for fouls that might previously have been yellow. My advice to teams would be to tread carefully.

I think the fact that the rules were also being applied to hurling as well as football was the main reason it didn't get the 2/3 majority it needed.

Hurling didn't need to be fixed as it wasn't getting nasty like football. It was physical but no dirty play.
It was football that needed fixing not hurling don't know why they applied the rules to hurling as well.

I think the GAA were a bit sceptical on whether the rules would be continued to the Championship when they first brought it in anyway. Personally, I didnt agree with them, it made players more cautious so the physicality of the game was reduced a bit. But I think the way the GAA looked at it was that it would make the players a bit less free with the fouling come the Championship, and would clear up the game a little bit, so I think in that respect it was good. I'm glad it's gone for the Championship though.

The Tommy Freeman incident buried it. I honesstly think that one decision nailed a no vote. Its a shame, I liked them but they had some serious faults and they had no place in hurling.
The ridiculous sight of them being used in the league finals when they had already been voted out, and everyone knew they were being scrapped was comedic!!!

Liamwalkinstown wrote:The Tommy Freeman incident buried it. I honesstly think that one decision nailed a no vote. Its a shame, I liked them but they had some serious faults and they had no place in hurling.
The ridiculous sight of them being used in the league finals when they had already been voted out, and everyone knew they were being scrapped was comedic!!!

It was a living joke having them in hurling when there was no probs in terms of discipline. Again, I think the reason they brought them in for the finals was to keep it fresh in the minds of plasyers that fouling, dirty play etc. will be hit hard this Summer. I dont jknow why they didnt vote on whether the rules would stay or not after the nfl was finished completely, tbh, it was a bit odd something abolished, the rules, were left in for the NFL finals!!But maybe the reason i have mentioned abopve had something to do with it?

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

Liamwalkinstown wrote:The Tommy Freeman incident buried it. I honesstly think that one decision nailed a no vote. Its a shame, I liked them but they had some serious faults and they had no place in hurling.
The ridiculous sight of them being used in the league finals when they had already been voted out, and everyone knew they were being scrapped was comedic!!!

It was a living joke having them in hurling when there was no probs in terms of discipline. Again, I think the reason they brought them in for the finals was to keep it fresh in the minds of plasyers that fouling, dirty play etc. will be hit hard this Summer. I dont jknow why they didnt vote on whether the rules would stay or not after the nfl was finished completely, tbh, it was a bit odd something abolished, the rules, were left in for the NFL finals!!But maybe the reason i have mentioned abopve had something to do with it?

Are u being serious there Esther...??

Liamwalkinstown wrote:

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

Liamwalkinstown wrote:The Tommy Freeman incident buried it. I honesstly think that one decision nailed a no vote. Its a shame, I liked them but they had some serious faults and they had no place in hurling.
The ridiculous sight of them being used in the league finals when they had already been voted out, and everyone knew they were being scrapped was comedic!!!

It was a living joke having them in hurling when there was no probs in terms of discipline. Again, I think the reason they brought them in for the finals was to keep it fresh in the minds of plasyers that fouling, dirty play etc. will be hit hard this Summer. I dont jknow why they didnt vote on whether the rules would stay or not after the nfl was finished completely, tbh, it was a bit odd something abolished, the rules, were left in for the NFL finals!!But maybe the reason i have mentioned abopve had something to do with it?

Are u being serious there Esther...??

Oh sorry, in terms of discipline as in the football. It's not as bad as the football, Liamo...

RMDrive wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:So the new rules which were used in the League will not feature in the Championship. Much to the relief of Ulster people - apparently. Maybe there isn't a conspiracy after all Ulsterman - ahem I mean Ulster men!

Anyway - how will this play in the Summer. I think its fair to say that refs were more inclined to tick/black book as a yellow and then use yellow as a 'red' in the League. What way will their scrambled brains work during the white heat of Championship. Hits will be more frequent - harder and faster - and no quarter will be given. Will the refs still be in 'League' mode and be reluctant to even take out a yellow when a foul might even be 'red'? Or will they become card happy in the Championship having had pedestrian and well mannered league games, i.e. if someone gives a belt will the ref be thinking 'not having that' and whip out a red.

It will be interesting to see I feel...

I think you have hit the nail on the head there JC. I reckon the ultimate outcome of the experimental punishments will be a "softening" of how the games are reffed (sp?). Tackles that deserve yellows will instead get ticks and we will end up with a championship that will be even more cynical than previous years.

Possibly the case but last time rules where tampered with was 2005 rules were modified pick up off the ground, sin bin etc.The 2006 campain wasn't that effected to the best of my knowlegde.
People have aperception that the rules were changed. No new fouls were introduced all that happened was yellow card player replaced, red card not replaced. TYhis was more so to do with discipline/abuse etc and the cynical foul lad going though and taken out of it. players that did this are removed from the field of play nothing else.
I personally voted against the rules to be implemented at club level but i have no problem with them at intercounty. Lot of teams only have 15 players for league matches and these could quickly desend into a frace.
but the easist way to combact these radical chanfges is to educate people on the rules. Would safely say most people don't have aclue and mix up rules from queens game into GAA the whole time

The Tommy Freeman yellow card was a complete joke, but it was hardly enough to turn the vote Liam? And I'm sure there were other dodgy yellows handed out, off the top of my head John Doyle's against us was also fairly harsh. I think the whole concept of the yellow card rule is what dragged them down, there was merit to some of the rules but that particular proposal killed it I think(even though it did come close to being passed in Congress).

i have to say I agree with you MMM - i think the new rules minus the yellow card rubbish would have been passed at congress. There was no much inconsistency with what constituted a yellow and what didn't. But then the same could be said for the exisitng rules.

Some say the sin bin is the anser to that but managers and players will never buy into that - at the end of the day would you rather have a situation were a guy who gets a yellow and can be replaced or he gets a yellow and your down to 14 men for 10 mins.

The one rule i dd like is the one stopping the body check - i think it has become the biggest annoyance to me - and 99% of the time it went unpunished.

bocerty wrote:i have to say I agree with you MMM - i think the new rules minus the yellow card rubbish would have been passed at congress. There was no much inconsistency with what constituted a yellow and what didn't. But then the same could be said for the exisitng rules.

Some say the sin bin is the anser to that but managers and players will never buy into that - at the end of the day would you rather have a situation were a guy who gets a yellow and can be replaced or he gets a yellow and your down to 14 men for 10 mins.

The one rule i dd like is the one stopping the body check - i think it has become the biggest annoyance to
me - and 99% of the time it went unpunished.

Agree with you about the body check should be penalised more but this is something that came in from soccer.
Disagree with your first statement, there were no new rules per say, it was just the punishment of the cards was changed.
Example if i pulled your jersey it is a black book (ticking offense), it i did it again another black book but I can't issue two black books hence it is a now a yellow card. Under the proposed rules you now have to be replaced.
This would cause chaos in club matches where discpline is not as strong (generally).
At present under the current rules for championship if i tugged someones jersy three times it is a red card now this is very rarely acted upon the only time I saw (i said saw i didn't do it) was Wex senior f/ball final couple years ago between H/wood and Castletown, C/town corner back was sent off for three pulls of his opponents shirt.
Beforew people say this that and the other, the ref acted within the rules, did he apply common sense- that's another question. But again the question I would ask is did the player know the punishment coming to him, most lads on a yellow will pull a shirt thinking full well no ref is going to send me off for that but if he has already received a ticking and a yellow he according to the rules should be shown the line.

sorry Jim what i meant by the yellow card rubbish was that a player receiving a yellow had to be replaced - (it wasnt clear what i meant i know)

As for the body check i wouldnt so much say it came from soccer - i do believe though it was a ploy that the likes of Tyrone and Armagh perfected so perhaps we take the blame for that one.

No firmly believe boby check came from soccer as most cynical fouls have, worst of the lot nearly is the sliding tackle and most young lads (& some mentors) go balistic when this is blown up again lack ok knowledge and understanding.
Most northern teams live on the edge - nothing wrong with that, one of the reasons you lot are so successful another team always on the edge Kilkenny.
As they say if you win the fair play award you won nothing (in silverware terms, which most people rate as winning)

Disagree Jim - third man tackle / body check is and always has been a GAA thing. SLiding tackle and diving defo soccer imports!