Re: Derry v Monaghan USFC

**patrique** Sun May 24, 2009 6:39 pm

The player was rugby tackled. The ref should have blown then. On the ground I assumed the Derry player did something, on watching two replays I didn't notice what he did. He may have, I didn't see it.The Derry player officially was carded.

But the fact remains that all the pulling, third man tackles, blocking off, were back in view.Fouls resulting in yellow cards where no attempt was made to play the ball.

I am not blaming one side, just pointing out that under the "new rules" in the league, this may have been a better game.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 6:39 pm

Loyal I never seen it but I believe you, what a scumbag to be at that, I hope DC takes him off the panel for that is one of the lowest actions you can do, I'm really pissed off about it for a stupid idiot like him to be at it. Disgusted.

It was a poor match littered with cynical fouls from both sides, Fergal was skating on thin ice all day, Dick Clerkin should have walked at the end of 1st half pushed the Derry player in the face in front of the referee while on a yellow, dirty dirty player have never liked him. Tommy Freeman had a bad day at the office much like Eoin Bradley who kicked a bagful of wides. Derry's half forward line is non-existent with no players from 10-12 getting on the score sheet.

We were poor today but still grinded out a win missing about 5 of our best players. I think the game was built up to much which was why it was so poor, it was never going to be pretty but thank God we got on the right side of the scoreboard.

Also, Sean Leo Mc Goldrick is pure class a total workhorse my man of the match and James Kielt got an absolute clinker of a point in the 2nd half.

*I have alot of opinions about certain players from both teams that I will hold until I watch the game again, but I do think that Monaghan did a lot of play acting to get men sent off which is a horrible trait to have in the game. I'm not saying we are innocent by any means but they were dropping like flies then looking for the ref. The Umpires were an absolute disgrace as well, this psychological battle with the defenders and the forwards is a disgrace and needs stamping out.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 6:41 pm

Ps MMM you got home in good time!

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 6:43 pm

A truly awful game, a terrible advertisement for Ulster football altogether. However I can't understand how all the negativity is being directed towards us. All I've heard is how we dragged Derry down to our level, complete and utter bullshit. Now normally I like Brolly but after seeing what he said after the game today I have to say he's talking total nonsense, making out that we're the evil of Gaelic Football and Derry were complete angels. Both teams were at it today, and to be honest I think Derry were at more off the ball stuff, contrary to popular opinion. Doherty should have seen the line much earlier, a completely disgraceful display from the team captain. You had Mullen kneeing McManus in the balls, McCloy and Gillis getting Downey and Hanratty in headlocks(two small lads that wouldn't be stupid enough to try and take them fellas on), McKaigue making out like D Freeman had struck him late in the game when nothing happened, and generally just alot of mouthing and cynical play. Now I know we're certainly no angels but it seems like people in general just like to pick out our faults and laud Derry for "rising above it", when they're just as guilty.

While it was an awful game, it wouldn't have mattered had we won, but we really threw it away. Derry didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. The amount of wides we hit, and shots hit short into the keeper's hands was nothing short of scandalous. We had enough possession to be out of sight in the first half, but we couldn't build on it. Simple misses from several players you'd normally rely on, and the wrong option taken alot of other times. Loyal, as I've said before if Hanratty had a brain he'd be a good prospect, but he just makes far too many mistakes. Ronaghan should have known better that he was there to lay the ball off to others rather than kick a shot wide. Once we made all those mistakes I knew it would come back to haunt us. Even when Woods fisted over our last point, I knew it wouldn't be enough and we would pay for not taking our chances. And of course, we only lost courtesy of a square ball.

Basically it was a poor game between what were two very mediocre teams on the day. Back to the drawing board now for us, but really I couldn't care less about the qualifiers. It'd be nice to win a couple of games of course but we're not going to win anything, it was all about Ulster this year. Banty will be stepping down after this season I'd imagine and it'll be a new set-up next year. Very disappointing.

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 6:44 pm

Bright-Oak wrote:Ps MMM you got home in good time!

Didn't feel like hanging about! Crying or Very sad

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 6:58 pm

Bright-Oak wrote:Loyal I never seen it but I believe you, what a scumbag to be at that, I hope DC takes him off the panel for that is one of the lowest actions you can do, I'm really pissed off about it for a stupid idiot like him to be at it. Disgusted.

Sound of you to say that!

I think Derry are O.K. you know, certainly could see them beating Armagh/Tyrone but they will need to improve to do so. Probably not ready for Sam yet but Anglo not an impossibility.

Monaghan will show everyone how good they are in the qualifiers, Celtic Park a hard place to get a win I'd say. They played well, kicked a lot of wides and on another day the Derry goal would have been disallowed so who knows?

Dreadful game though, Brolly has the IQ of a head of cabbage - "I'm happy Monaghan are out"???? What is all that about?

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 6:59 pm

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:
Bright-Oak wrote:Loyal I never seen it but I believe you, what a scumbag to be at that, I hope DC takes him off the panel for that is one of the lowest actions you can do, I'm really pissed off about it for a stupid idiot like him to be at it. Disgusted.

Sound/Fair of you to say that!

I think Derry are O.K. you know, certainly could see them beating Armagh/Tyrone but they will need to improve to do so. Probably not ready for Sam yet but Anglo not an impossibility.

Monaghan will show everyone how good they are in the qualifiers, Celtic Park a hard place to get a win I'd say. They played well, kicked a lot of wides and on another day the Derry goal would have been disallowed so who knows?

Dreadful game though, Brolly has the IQ of a head of cabbage - "I'm happy Monaghan are out"???? What is all that about?

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 7:02 pm

As I say, after seeing what Brolly said after it I've lost alot of respect for him, extremely biased views altogether.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 7:31 pm

Brolly is a bit of a headcase at time, I'm sure he'll regret it in the morning he had probably pent up anger following on from the game and just didn't pick the wisest thing to say, he maybe thought it but shouldn't have said it.

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 7:44 pm

Anger my ass, what did he have to be angry about? Yous won the game! I'd expect that from a fan at the game but not a pundit who's supposed to be impartial. Of course he's no doubt in denial like many others that Derry didn't put a foot wrong and it was all Monaghan doing the dirt. Just doing the rounds on message boards and I'm in disbelief at how many think it was all Monaghan! Derry go on but I fully expect Tyrone to be in the Ulster final now to be honest. I'm not bitter and it'd be great to see a new Ulster winner but on the evidence of that game today I don't think Derry have it in them yet.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 7:44 pm

Bright-Oak wrote:My prediction is Derry by 4...don't ask me to explain why I just have a feeling.

Not too far off! Wink

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 7:48 pm

mid-mon man wrote:Anger my ass, what did he have to be angry about? Yous won the game! I'd expect that from a fan at the game but not a pundit who's supposed to be impartial. Of course he's no doubt in denial like many others that Derry didn't put a foot wrong and it was all Monaghan doing the dirt. Just doing the rounds on message boards and I'm in disbelief at how many think it was all Monaghan! Derry go on but I fully expect Tyrone to be in the Ulster final now to be honest. I'm not bitter and it'd be great to see a new Ulster winner but on the evidence of that game today I don't think Derry have it in them yet.

MMM both team have a couple of dirty players, I guess from previous games like Kildare in the league etc there is just the previous evidence so to speak. At the end of the day it was never going to be clean and there should have been more than Doc sent off (I have spoken of my feeling on Mullen, never has brought anything to the Derry setup and he won't be missed) Ref was awful for both teams. As I say I'm going to give a full rundown when I see it on tape as it's hard to give an accurate opinion from being at the game as you can't see everything.

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 7:53 pm

Yes I've seen a few of the incidents quickly and there were a few unsavoury things to say the least. I'm not saying we're no angels, but what annoys me is how everyone is saying we never go out to play football and dragged Derry down and all that. It takes two to tango but it appears alot of people can't see that. As I say though, after meeting each other for the third year in a row there was never going to be free-flowing football being played.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 7:59 pm

MMM would you agree the atmosphere was poor? I think the build-up was the cause of it, I'm sure it'll be the same for Amrgah and Tyrone next weekend as well. When you have 4 or 5 months of a build up it's going to be hard to reach the expectation level.

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 8:04 pm

Probably was overall yeah. The game started with a high intensity and it was good for a while but it died down quickly. Suppose there was a bit of a big build up as it was a reasonably high profile game, the low quality of football wouldn't have helped! I wonder will it be the same for the Tyrone/Armagh game myself. I'd say it should be better.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 8:06 pm

mid-mon man wrote:Probably was overall yeah. The game started with a high intensity and it was good for a while but it died down quickly. Suppose there was a bit of a big build up as it was a reasonably high profile game, the low quality of football wouldn't have helped! I wonder will it be the same for the Tyrone/Armagh game myself. I'd say it should be better.

The aul ceremony thing in the middle didn't help! Your minors were very good, kicked some great points in the last few mins. We needed a goal and missed a couple of good chances near the end.

**mid-mon man** Sun May 24, 2009 8:10 pm

Yeah expected them to be good after all the talk of them. Aaron McCarey and Daniel McKenna hit some great long points. Next game for them will be very tough, Armagh and Tyrone always have excellent underage teams. Maybe with a bit of luck they can do it. You think the seniors not winning Ulster since '88 is bad, we haven't won the Ulster minor since 1940!

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 8:14 pm

I expect Tyrone to be tough, although they won a lot at under-age and schools many of them players are likely to be overage now.

**RMDrive** Sun May 24, 2009 11:04 pm

"There's a manliness in the Ulster Championship. There was no manliness there today."

I think big Joe summed it up better than I ever could. Too many Monaghan and Derry players trying to act like tough men. Head-butting someone or kneeing them in the balls or punching them in the stomach or mouthing at them ... all the acts of a coward. And there was plenty of cowardise on display today.

The onus is now on the rest of the Ulster teams to redeem our fine chamionship, given that these 2 teams have given such ammunition to the Ulster bashers.

Guest Sun May 24, 2009 11:20 pm

Yeah RMD, the Ulster bashers are out in force tonight I'd say. Personally the Ulster Championship is under a bit of a cloud right now, I read on the Betfair Forum this evening; people saying they will never watch an Ulster game again. So make of that what you will. In my view, it wasn't a great spectacle, as I said earlier, I even considered taking the ultimate step.

Really, the onus is on the Meaths, the Mayos and the Kerrys of this world now. These teams have to show all this is good about Gaelic Football. I even hear RTE are considering pulling the plug on all Ulster games, now listen I'll reserve judgement until later, but is that really how bad things are? And not to be setting myself up to be accused of anti-this and anti-that but it may not be a bad move.

**Boxtyeater** Mon May 25, 2009 12:38 am

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:And Jesus wept.

The oh so beautiful game I once loved is being destroyed.

I have to choose my words carefully here, these Ulster folk think they are beyond criticism but oh how right I was. I suppose the optimistic amongst them will say it was too sunny for the players today. Spillane, Carney and O'Rourke are correct, Brolly is an idiot - "I'm delighted Monaghan are out". Clueless is not the right word. But that was dreadful stuff.

I have previously asked how these games would affect the interest of the paying public, and now it appears the experts share my views. What we witnessed today was the worst of the worst, believe me I don't take any great pleasure in saying that, but what else can you say? And its not an anti-Ulster thing either, if this game took place anywhere else, I'd say the same.

As for the Derry number twenty four, well if there is any decency left in that county, then he will never be let pull on a Derry shirt again. I wonder will the Derry posters who condemned Ryan McMenamin be as quick to condemn the number twenty four. Secondly Fergal Doherty is a thug, he puts Wheelo in the Mother Theresa bracket.

As for the game itself, well the best team probably won. Kielt looks a star prospect but to be honest Derry are dogged at best, couldn't see them beating a Kerry or even my own Meath. Monaghan were disappointing, I know they are better than that, hopefully, they prove their worth in the qualifiers.

BTW, well done Derry and well done Bright Oak, though, I fear her backlash when she reads this. I'm sorry. Hard luck MMM too, get a pair of feet for Ronaghan or a brain for Hanratty, that will help big time.

Un-like for me to agree with L2TheRoyal but this was dreadful stuff Embarassed

A pitiful example of what passes for football at C/Ship leval.....I agree...Brolly is a toe-rag.... Embarassed

Great shout Loyal...... cheers

**bald eagle** Mon May 25, 2009 10:09 am

Just watched a replay of the game there now, and while it was a truly awful game it was a great advertisement for 2 things -

1 - The new rules (which i and my county voted in favour of AT CONGRESS)

2 - The Hurling Championship.

Looked out keenly for the incidents tht Loyal, Pat & MMM were blowing their tops about and while it looked innocent enough in real time, you could clearly see that Brian Mullins kneed the Monaghan player in the criggs. That's something that really surprised me as i know Brian well and he really isn't that type of person or player.

Not a great game, and while i really only looked at the Derry performance i was really surprised at the cynisim of the Monaghan play at times. This isn't the Monaghan team that beat Derry 2 years on the hop and it's a style of play that really doesn't show what a good team they are. Is it a co-incidence that after the stream of yellows in the 2nd half that saw Fergal Doc get sent off Monaghan didn't score?

I don't think we should hang, draw and quarter both teams on this game, they are both way better that the shameful display i witnessed there now.

Have to say, Loyal & Pat - you were both bang on in what you said in your posts after the game. A truly shocking game, and if Derry play Tyrone in the Semi, God help us.

Guest Mon May 25, 2009 12:22 pm

Well I'm glad to hear it, Boxty.

Like I'm sure Derry people will say, yeah a win is a win, and sure yeah, a win is a win, but what was witnessed yesterday would turn people off Gaelic Football - and I'm not just saying that. As a self confessed lover of all sports, I really find it hard to get excited about say the Armagh Tyrone game next weekend but my heart beats a few beats faster when I think about Cork and Tipperary in the Munster Championship next weekend. I'm not sure if thats me or if its common percpetion for most after yesterday's game.

I don't mean to upset posters but I'm only saying what I think. And thats hardly a crime.

Guest Mon May 25, 2009 2:08 pm

Why so few posts on this game?

If this dosen't get people posting, then I'm not sure what will.

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon May 25, 2009 2:13 pm

Well thank God I got a late call to work and missed it! By all accounts I didn't miss much .........

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