Re: Paul Grimley

**mullins** Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:02 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
The Puke wrote:Cork and Clare hurling manager jobs are basic milage and related expenses. As good as free

Most big footballing counties are the same. Mickey Harte is getting that, as is O'Rourke, I'm sure. John Brennan, Jack O'Connor, Conor Counihan, Pat Gilroy, James McCartan - hard to see any of those getting more than expenses.

Tc your living in the past

**Thomas Clarke** Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:01 pm

mullins wrote:
Thomas Clarke wrote:
The Puke wrote:Cork and Clare hurling manager jobs are basic milage and related expenses. As good as free

Most big footballing counties are the same. Mickey Harte is getting that, as is O'Rourke, I'm sure. John Brennan, Jack O'Connor, Conor Counihan, Pat Gilroy, James McCartan - hard to see any of those getting more than expenses.

Tc your living in the past

Which of them do you think are getting more than that?

**Boxtyeater** Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:04 pm

Cue a musical clue..... Laughing

**mullins** Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:55 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote:
Thomas Clarke wrote:
The Puke wrote:Cork and Clare hurling manager jobs are basic milage and related expenses. As good as free

Most big footballing counties are the same. Mickey Harte is getting that, as is O'Rourke, I'm sure. John Brennan, Jack O'Connor, Conor Counihan, Pat Gilroy, James McCartan - hard to see any of those getting more than expenses.

Tc your living in the past

Which of them do you think are getting more than that?

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:35 am

mullins wrote:
Thomas Clarke wrote: Which of them do you think are getting more than that?

Mickey Harte for 1

What makes you say that?

Let me guess, you were talking to a man well-connected with the Tyrone county board.... Rolling Eyes

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:52 am

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote:
Thomas Clarke wrote: Which of them do you think are getting more than that?

Mickey Harte for 1

What makes you say that?

Let me guess, you were talking to a man well-connected with the Tyrone county board....

I'll drop it the Dogs on the street know managers get paid,the days for the love of the county are well gone,and you can include Dublin in that...

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:10 am

mullins wrote: I'll drop it the Dogs on the street know managers get paid,the days for the love of the county are well gone,and you can include Dublin in that...

I think you are generalising too much Mullins. Yes, there are managers getting large amounts of money for taking clubs/counties, but there are others who are not.

I don't believe that Pat Gilroy is getting any back-handers for the work he is doing with Dublin, anymore than Harte, O'Connor or Counihan are. Expenses, yes, and I'd acknowledge that the expense payments he receives probably more than cover the cost to him, but not by that much.

The real financial benefit to those managers is the profile it gives them for their businesses, public speaking, newspaper articles and the likes. Again, there are others who get much more than this, but they wouldn't be among those that I have named.

**OMAR** Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:49 am

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote: I'll drop it the Dogs on the street know managers get paid,the days for the love of the county are well gone,and you can include Dublin in that...

I think you are generalising too much Mullins. Yes, there are managers getting large amounts of money for taking clubs/counties, but there are others who are not.

I don't believe that Pat Gilroy is getting any back-handers for the work he is doing with Dublin, anymore than Harte, O'Connor or Counihan are. Expenses, yes, and I'd acknowledge that the expense payments he receives probably more than cover the cost to him, but not by that much.

The real financial benefit to those managers is the profile it gives them for their businesses, public speaking, newspaper articles and the likes. Again, there are others who get much more than this, but they wouldn't be among those that I have named.

Thats the point I was trying to make earlier - POR has a large contracting company - A thing I have notcied as someone who is from a seaside village in Donegal and one of the noticeable things about attending Ulster GAA matches in the North is the amount of high brand cars and 4X4's. There is an element in GAA nationalist circles that are very wealthy and there is also a strong Nationalist presence within senior sections of the civil service. Because of the community dynamics I feel that this element tends to be more of a "clique" than would be the case in the South as they are more likely to live in the same area, or play in the same golf club, children at same schools, Holiday home in same part of Donegal etc.

A high GAA profile in North is hugely benefical for business networking- if thats Auctioneering in Armagh or tyrone- a construction company in Down a Hotel or nightclub across the border in Monaghan etc etc. I have previously worked for a company that had well known Ulster GAA people on the board that had business relationships with five of the people mentioned so far on this thread.

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:59 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote: I'll drop it the Dogs on the street know managers get paid,the days for the love of the county are well gone,and you can include Dublin in that...

I think you are generalising too much Mullins. Yes, there are managers getting large amounts of money for taking clubs/counties, but there are others who are not.

I don't believe that Pat Gilroy is getting any back-handers for the work he is doing with Dublin, anymore than Harte, O'Connor or Counihan are. Expenses, yes, and I'd acknowledge that the expense payments he receives probably more than cover the cost to him, but not by that much.

The real financial benefit to those managers is the profile it gives them for their businesses, public speaking, newspaper articles and the likes. Again, there are others who get much more than this, but they wouldn't be among those that I have named.

If you say so,sure what would i know

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:18 pm

mullins wrote:
If you say so,sure what would i know

What you are accusing these men off is against the rules of the GAA and, if they aren't declaring it to the taxman, illegal. So OK Mullins, let's have a proper debate, where you put forward an opinion and back it up with something.

There has never been anything in the public domain to suggest that any of the names mentioned on here are taking illegal payments, so that, coupled with my knowledge of the individuals (in some cases) and the County Boards in question, are the 2 points on which I would base for my argument of saying that I don't think they are getting back-handers.

So what is your argument/evidence for suggesting that they do?

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote:
If you say so,sure what would i know

What you are accusing these men off is against the rules of the GAA and, if they aren't declaring it to the taxman, illegal. So OK Mullins, let's have a proper debate, where you put forward an opinion and back it up with something.

There has never been anything in the public domain to suggest that any of the names mentioned on here are taking illegal payments, so that, coupled with my knowledge of the individuals (in some cases) and the County Boards in question, are the 2 points on which I would base for my argument of saying that I don't think they are getting back-handers.

So what is your argument/evidence for suggesting that they do?

Well i was in the pub the other night talking to bottler,and he said did you hear your man is getting 250,000 to manage that team i said really,and bottler said if hes getting 250,000 how much are the rest getting ....

I Rest My case

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:55 pm

mullins wrote:
Well i was in the pub the other night talking to bottler,and he said did you hear your man is getting 250,000 to manage that team i said really,and bottler said if hes getting 250,000 how much are the rest getting ....

I Rest My case

So you have nothing whatsoever to back up your accusations of these mens' alleged criminal activities.

How was it B&W described your posts the other day? Oh yes, 'lies'.

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:59 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote:
Well i was in the pub the other night talking to bottler,and he said did you hear your man is getting 250,000 to manage that team i said really,and bottler said if hes getting 250,000 how much are the rest getting ....

I Rest My case

So you have nothing whatsoever to back up your accusations of these mens' alleged criminal activities.

How was it B&W described your posts the other day? Oh yes, 'lies'.

Really bottler won't be impressed when i tell him what you said.............

**hipster 2** Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:55 pm

its a known fact that the county boards pay expenses and the supporter groups look after everything else , we all hear the rumours i have heard of one manager up the north on 120 thousand sterling a high profile manager in hurling down here on 80 to 100,000 euro and a high profile manager out west was on 120 thousand , i have heard of club managers on 14 thousand and players doing coaching session s for 150 an hour , or the best one i heard was one lads said he do 20 sessions for free but would love a holiday to spain , its rife and thats why we have the merry go round of managers

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:41 pm

hipster 2 wrote:its a known fact that the county boards pay expenses and the supporter groups look after everything else , we all hear the rumours i have heard of one manager up the north on 120 thousand sterling a high profile manager in hurling down here on 80 to 100,000 euro and a high profile manager out west was on 120 thousand , i have heard of club managers on 14 thousand and players doing coaching session s for 150 an hour , or the best one i heard was one lads said he do 20 sessions for free but would love a holiday to spain , its rife and thats why we have the merry go round of managers

Thats rubbish hipster TC said this is against the law and everything the Gaa stands for .You must be telling lies

Laughing

**hipster 2** Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:50 pm

and i heard of a club that fixed their big draw for the manager to win as payment

**GAA-Fan** Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:05 pm

All I have read are rumours. No facts have been posted therefore we should just leave the debate about how much managers are paid and stop talking *****. I think posters from their own respective counties have a better idea of what the management are being paid than outsiders.

**Loyal2TheRoyal** Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:20 pm

Banty and his "backroom team" recieved €71,000 in 2011.

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:20 pm

GAA-Fan wrote:All I have read are rumours. No facts have been posted therefore we should just leave the debate about how much managers are paid and stop talking *****. I think posters from their own respective counties have a better idea of what the management are being paid than outsiders.

It starts as a rumour and eventually the truth will be revealed....What else would one expect names and figures the Gaa is a hidden Association...Every fool knows that

You know the saying no smoke without fire......

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:22 pm

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:Banty and his "backroom team" recieved €71,000 in 2011.

Is that through the books loyal

**Loyal2TheRoyal** Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:35 pm

mullins wrote:
Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:Banty and his "backroom team" recieved €71,000 in 2011.

Is that through the books loyal

Yes.

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:09 pm

mullins wrote:
GAA-Fan wrote:All I have read are rumours. No facts have been posted therefore we should just leave the debate about how much managers are paid and stop talking *****. I think posters from their own respective counties have a better idea of what the management are being paid than outsiders.

It starts as a rumour and eventually the truth will be revealed....What else would one expect names and figures the Gaa is a hidden Association...Every fool knows that

You know the saying no smoke without fire......

GF is right. Mullins, as usual, is simply lying to sound like he knows something about anything. Also as usual, he hasn't succeeded, but it's a shame he is sullying the name of certain individuals in doing so.

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:38 pm

Thomas Clarke wrote:
mullins wrote:
GAA-Fan wrote:All I have read are rumours. No facts have been posted therefore we should just leave the debate about how much managers are paid and stop talking *****. I think posters from their own respective counties have a better idea of what the management are being paid than outsiders.

It starts as a rumour and eventually the truth will be revealed....What else would one expect names and figures the Gaa is a hidden Association...Every fool knows that

You know the saying no smoke without fire......

GF is right. Mullins, as usual, is simply lying to sound like he knows something about anything. Also as usual, he hasn't succeeded, but it's a shame he is sullying the name of certain individuals in doing so.

Actually i would stand over everything i have said....1 of the Ulster managers you mentioned as being making a living out of the Gaa since he was player,now head of to your library you might find a book that might help you work that one out..........

**mullins** Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:41 pm

High ranking officials from five County Boards have admitted that their board have made payments to senior managers that break GAA rules and could also potentially have serious consequences with the Revenue Commissioners.
In a confidential phone survey carried out by TV3 News five county boards have revealed that they made payments to a senior manager that contravene GAA rules, while a further two counties would be happy for a third party to make a donation to a manager.
Chapter 1 of the GAA’s Official Guide states that “The Association is an amateur Association. A player, team, official or member shall not accept payment in cash or in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic Games.” It goes on to say that “expenses paid to all officials, players and members shall not exceed the standard rates laid down by the Central Council.” The penalty for breaking the rule is a 24 week suspension or expulsion from the association.
Currently the rates laid down by Central Council are as follows: Mileage rate of 50 cent per mile; an overnight allowance of €40 (if hotel is not being paid for by the County Board of the GAA); a meal allowance of €15.
Two thirds (21) of the thirty two officials questioned believe that the practice of making illegitimate payments to managers is currently still ongoing in some counties.
The same number believe that clubs within their own counties are paying managers more than GAA rules allow however, only two said their board has a specific plan in place to deal with the practice.
17 of the high ranking officials spoken to believe that illegitimate payments to managers can be stamped out while 14 do not.
The GAA were presented with the findings but declined to comment on the results.
GPA Chairman Dessie Farrell believes that the majority of players do not have an issue with managers being paid.
“I think the vast majority of players don’t have an issue with payments to managers.
“I think everyone realises the commitment involved with managing inter-county teams and even club teams in the modern day game, so there wouldn’t be an sense that well if the managers are getting it we should be getting it.
He added, “I don’t believe that there is an appetite for players to have the game erode its amateur ethos to that extent. What we do realise is that there is payment to managers and that there is a sham around this issue at this stage.
“I think the time has come to seriously look at this and to make whatever amendments need to be made to address this issue once and for all.”

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:44 pm

mullins wrote:
Actually i would stand over everything i have said....1 of the Ulster managers you mentioned as being making a living out of the Gaa since he was player,now head of to your library you might find a book that might help you work that one out..........

Ah bless, was that a little bit of inverted snobbery there Mullins? No need for a book, as I know who you are referring to, but I don't believe he is receiving brown envelopes stuffed with cash for managing his own county. I'm sure Bluearmy would agree.

As for standing over everything you say, well, it is easy to stand over anonymous posts on an obscure internet forum, but then that is why you say what you say, where you say it.

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