Re: Dr McKenna Cup - second most important trophy?

**Thomas Clarke** Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:05 pm

Jayo Cluxton wrote: You said Jordan was the best half back last year. Unfortunately his side were relegated in the League and lost out at QF stage in the C'ship - hard to see how you could pick him above Kissane.

Sorry Jayo, I can't follow your logic here. Surely when someone gets an all-star in an average team it is at least, if not more, impressive than someone getting the same recognition in a winning side. By your train of thought, Alan O'Connor should be more deserving of a midfield slot than a John Galvin or Paddy Keenan, or Paul Kerrigan over a Gooch or Bernard Brogan. How far a team goes in the championship is irrelevant when it comes to opining who was the best player in a position in the country that year. For me, Kissane was very deserving of his all-star, but I don't think that he was as good as Jordan.

Jayo Cluxton wrote: Those are the facts but then I suppose I am only wumming here or maybe have a chip on my shoulder or something. The thing I've noticed a lot recently is that if you don't agree with TCs world view on sport (and your knowledge is phenomenal) then you are a wum or have a chip on your shoulder. Yours is only an opinion TC - same as the rest of us - carries the same weight - it is not the gospel.

On the subject of gospels, you might want to practice what you preach Jayo. You picked out one sentence out of several paragraphs I wrote about the Tyrone panel. In those paragrapghs I commented on several Tyrone players who I thought were probably beyond winning all-irelands at this stage in their careers, so I don't see why you felt the need to jump over that one half-sentence praising Jordan, particularly when the player in question won his 4th all-star 3 months ago - it was hardly a ridiculous opinion to have.

But, as you did, I debated, and said 'each to his own'. I also questioned the relevance of a league/championship double in your argument, and elaborated on that again here.

I'm not going to get into another slanging match like yesterday, but it is certainly frustrating when, after typing a piece about Tyrone's panel, you jump all over one, fairly irrelevant, sentence. Anyway, as I said yesterday, I don't think that that sort of sniping is doing a lot for the site - can't imagine that people get a lot out of reading 2 adults squabbling.

**Jayo Cluxton** Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:07 pm

no ... indeed ....

legitimately questioning someone's viewpoint is now viewed as squabbling and sniping ...

whatever you say ....

**bocerty** Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:21 pm

unless maybe Roger can persuade Mickey to take a look at big Ruairi for the middle of the field .

FFS Mugsy now you really are the f**king comedian - middle of the field!!! i wouldnt let him near the field.

**mugsys_barber** Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:55 pm

bocerty wrote:unless maybe Roger can persuade Mickey to take a look at big Ruairi for the middle of the field .

FFS Mugsy now you really are the f**king comedian - middle of the field!!! i wouldnt let him near the field.

Believe you me I was only blaggarding Boc!! I'd have big Ted McKenna back quicker.....

**bocerty** Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:14 pm

mugsys_barber wrote:
bocerty wrote:unless maybe Roger can persuade Mickey to take a look at big Ruairi for the middle of the field .

FFS Mugsy now you really are the f**king comedian - middle of the field!!! i wouldnt let him near the field.

Believe you me I was only blaggarding Boc!! I'd have big Ted McKenna back quicker.....

i know you were Mugsy - never in my wildest dreams did i imagine a man from Greencastle looking to get a man from Gortin onto the Tyrone team. Played indoor soccer with him recently hes a strong lad with a kick like a horse but hes as awkward as the day is long and has obviously picked up a 'trick' or two from the oul fella if you know what i mean

Your identity still has me in a pickle - 5 years with Sheridan and played McRory football with him - were you in the same year and are you originally from the Castle or just a blow-in who married a local lass?????

**mugsys_barber** Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:28 pm

Your identity still has me in a pickle - 5 years with Sheridan and played McRory football with him - were you in the same year and are you originally from the Castle or just a blow-in who married a local lass?????[/quote]

Ah sure it will keep you busy for a while sir.

**samin12** Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:21 pm

Jayo Cluxton wrote:no ... indeed ....

legitimately questioning someone's viewpoint is now viewed as squabbling and sniping ...

whatever you say ....

bit of a lover's tiff going on here?

**3inarow08** Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:11 pm

samin12 wrote:
bit of a lover's tiff going on here?

Who are you and what happened to Samin10???

Payback regarding slagging of ill thought out usernames is long overdue! Twisted Evil

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**samin12** Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:22 pm

3inarow08 wrote:
samin12 wrote:
bit of a lover's tiff going on here?

Who are you and what happened to Samin10???

Payback regarding slagging of ill thought out usernames is long overdue!

He who laughs first........!

Who is Samin10? Although i have to say i did have a wee laugh when i seen your username, (just now) Wink

**Jayo Cluxton** Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:38 am

samin12 wrote:
Jayo Cluxton wrote:no ... indeed ....

legitimately questioning someone's viewpoint is now viewed as squabbling and sniping ...

whatever you say ....

bit of a lover's tiff going on here?

I just ripped up the Valentine's Day card I bought for him ....

**Thomas Clarke** Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:13 pm

mugsys_barber wrote:TC, there won't be much change in attack for the McKenna cup with only two "trialists" on show in the form of McNeice and Girvan. Two lads I was very impressed with at minor level but must be noted that both have suffered from injury or perhaps burnout since winning the minor title in 2008. The new defenders McCrory from Errigal has been a solid club performer and young McNally from the island also deserves a run. Johnathan Curran had an impressive club championship and could be pushing big Packie for the number one position with Devine being relegated to third choice.

I suppose looking at the McKenna cup squad it will be interesting to see how Aidan Cassidy, PJ quinn and Damien McCaul have all recovered from their injuries, whether or not Cathal McCarron and Mark Donnelly can prove their worth on a tyrone panel as i feel they are only really there to make up ther in-house game numbers. I'd be hoping that Mulligan can keep up the good from from last year. O'Neill is always flying at this time of year, its just a pity he couldn't hold off until about July or August or at least stay injury free until then. Penrose has been a steady enough performer over the years but probably is better suited closer to the goals as opposed to this Dooher role they tried to make him play in last year. I agree with you in what you say about Dooher and Gourley, Can I also add Hub Hughes to that list. Another man that definitely hasn't 70 minutes of performance in Croke park in him anymore and has failed miserably last year against Dublin and the year previous against Cork. McGuigan may have a small bit part role to play but again not 70 minutes either.

There are many college students spread across the three teams - For me the jury is well and truly out on Red Sean O'Neill, He hasn't lived up to his early promise and his club form has been dire - He's been far too fond of show boating and carrying the ball into tackles.

We will see young Mattie Donnelly in action when we play UUJ, his lack of pace may be an issue but appears to be a strong lad who is capable of the spectacular score. UUJ would also have fringe players club players looking to impress like Pickering, Ciaran McGinley (errigal), mcNulty (Gortin) Hughes (ESkra) but don't expect any of them to make the breakthrough tbh.
Queens have Niall McKenna who we should hopefully see more of in 2011 and also Michael Gallagher from Omagh who I have been impressed by this year. They also have coalisland's Tiranan O'Hagan but sadly not in the same mould as the father, he did have a reasonable club championship even though the local papers blew him up a bit more than he maybe deserved.
St Mary's is loaded with Tyrone Players with Pete Harte, Gavin Teague and Kevin Mossey the stand out names. Young Campbell from Ardboe isn't a bad talent either, the rest should all be good club men in the years to come but don't think they'll make the breakthrough at senior level, unless maybe Roger can persuade Mickey to take a look at big Ruairi for the middle of the field .

Some excellent points there Mugsy and while, obviously, not all of those lads will make it as senior players, there is a strong core to get excited about. The one I'm most eager to see make it through to senior level is current minor Ronan O'Neill, but it will be another couple of years before we see him in a senior jersey. Still, though, he is a fabulous prospect, and looks to have everything that an inside forward should have.

As for this year, I think that Peter Harte will have a huge impact on the championship, and will greatly reduce the loss felt by Dooher's waning influence. Niall McKenna is another who could become a star, although this year may be too soon. Kyle Coney is ready physically, but needs to develop his workrate and learn to look up, while McNabb could start to put pressure on our half-backs. I lost hope in Tiernan O'Hagan making it a long time ago - he just doesn't quite seem to have it. His clubmate, McNeice, has a chance.

On a couple of others you mentioned, Red Sean O'Neill is a bit of a mystery. Undoubtedly very talented, but too loose in his marking and too adventurous in his passing for Mickey's taste. I'm a fan, but could be make or break year for him. I also rate Cathal McCarron, and thought that he had a decent first proper year last year. He is also loose at times, but he has the size and speed to make it at the top level, and that is why I'd give him a good run in the league this year. Exactly the same goes for PJ Quinn.

I agree that Penrose would cause more trouble inside. Pace in the full-forward line really scares defenders, and it would also allow him to create space for O'Neill in a way that Mugsy can't. Also pleased to see that Sean Cavanagh will start the year at midfield - he has never seemed happy with his back to goal and being tightly marked, so that move should help him.

All in all, this is a rebuilding year, but there is enough talent around to still have a decent run. Not expecting an all-ireland but, at the same time, I don't see may sides that would scare me.

**bocerty** Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:33 pm

mugsys_barber wrote:Your identity still has me in a pickle - 5 years with Sheridan and played McRory football with him - were you in the same year and are you originally from the Castle or just a blow-in who married a local lass?????

Ah sure it will keep you busy for a while sir. [/quote]

i reckon i have sussed your identity now Mugsy - didnt take me that long Very Happy

**mugsys_barber** Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:58 pm

bocerty wrote:
mugsys_barber wrote:Your identity still has me in a pickle - 5 years with Sheridan and played McRory football with him - were you in the same year and are you originally from the Castle or just a blow-in who married a local lass?????

Ah sure it will keep you busy for a while sir.

i reckon i have sussed your identity now Mugsy - didnt take me that long Very Happy

[/quote]

Good man Boc, just don't be letting on to the rest of them how good a footballer I was in my day - I do get embarrassed very easily when folk start heaping praise on my past performances for the 'Castle Embarassed

**bocerty** Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:10 am

mugsys_barber wrote:
bocerty wrote:
mugsys_barber wrote:Your identity still has me in a pickle - 5 years with Sheridan and played McRory football with him - were you in the same year and are you originally from the Castle or just a blow-in who married a local lass?????

Ah sure it will keep you busy for a while sir.

i reckon i have sussed your identity now Mugsy - didnt take me that long

Good man Boc, just don't be letting on to the rest of them how good a footballer I was in my day - I do get embarrassed very easily when folk start heaping praise on my past performances for the 'Castle :oops: [/quote]

I must have you mixed up then Mugsy the guy i was thinking of couldnt kick snow of a rope Very Happy

**patrique** Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:47 pm

As stated earlier Antrim have not won this since 1981 - the longest drought of Ulster counties. Do they not take it seriously enough or are they all on the piss for December and January?[/quote]

I should have listened.

At the Antrim final of the inter club Irish Language Quiz tonight. We lost by two points, finished second.

Question: How many all Ireland football have Dublin won. I immediately says 22 or 23 and left it. As we go to hand up the paper someone says which is it, I stroke out 22.

More pertinent: Question: When did Antrim last win the......McKenna Cup. I put 1982.

Mind you, the idea is to avoid qualifying for the ulster Final at Eglish as two years ago we could have traveled there in a De lorean because ye would have sworn it was the 1950s.

I am told it has now improved, they try to make a thing out of it with Donal McAnallen as question master this year.

No one told us the top two qualify......................

**Boxtyeater** Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:11 pm

Keep on thread please.

RMD has spent some of his valuable time sorting out various thread issues, yet off you go again. As a trade unionist yourself, you can appreciate the constraints under which RMD operates and for that reason I find your personal anecdotes (while both interesting and informative) should be confined to the relevant thread.
Isn't there a thread for quiz issues, pardon me if it has been subsumed, but please try to conform with Moderator's wishes....

Thank you for your on-going co-operation in the proper maintenance of the forum...**

** RMD has informed me via PM (in a mildly corrective tone) that he is taking a dim view of posters who stray off thread, "going forward"..

**patrique** Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:09 am

What is this thread about?

What was the question?

No not the one above.........

**samin12** Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:23 pm

apparently a cracking game of football in Newry tonight with Armagh just edging out Down in a high scoring game. Some of the 2009 minors were supposed to perform very well

**Grenvile** Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:28 pm

Gerald Pierson rolling back the years in Cavan lastnight.. If they could keep him interested he could do some damage in the league. Paddy Bradley played a stormer too. If James Reilly had to avoid injury Cavan could may have won, the third choice goalkeeper cost us a goal and a few points with fluffed kickouts.

**scoopmine** Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:17 pm

Good to see Barry Reilly and a couple of others show potenial! Keeper cost us a few scores..
Early days...

**Grenvile** Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:26 pm

scoopmine wrote:Good to see Barry Reilly and a couple of others show potenial! Keeper cost us a few scores..
Early days...

I'd rather see Barry Reilly and co away from the Senior team until the U21s is over.. There's a certain amount of promise in the team from midfield forward but the backs as always have very little to offer.

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:26 pm

Lads - ye can spoof and BS all ye like. They still ain't gonna be our team this year .... Once bitten and all that ....

**Grenvile** Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:50 pm

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Lads - ye can spoof and BS all ye like. They still ain't gonna be our team this year .... Once bitten and all that ....

You're not as slow as you walk JC.... Laughing

**scoopmine** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:38 pm

Keep the faith jayo!
True but id say he was only in the team cause of all the injuries same with butsy..
Backs always a concern dont see any real solution pity about rory dunne out for the year...

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:40 pm

Jonsmith wrote:
Jayo Cluxton wrote:Lads - ye can spoof and BS all ye like. They still ain't gonna be our team this year .... Once bitten and all that ....

You're not as slow as you walk JC....

I hope not!!! Razz

Scoop - keep selling - we might buy! Razz

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