Re: Impending General Election....GT's choice.....

**Jayo Cluxton** Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:01 am

Absolutely right B. Mr Rabbitte and the Screamer playing silly games - the people are not stupid - most of them. They will need to be a bit more genuous rather than disingenuous to get their crack. Don't like the look of them at all ... huff, puff and soundbites methinks ...

No guarantee and we were all bollixed but hindsight is 20/20 vision ...

**mullins** Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:08 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Absolutely right B. Mr Rabbitte and the Screamer playing silly games - the people are not stupid - most of them. They will need to be a bit more genuous rather than disingenuous to get their crack. Don't like the look of them at all ... huff, puff and soundbites methinks ...

No guarantee and we were all bollixed but hindsight is 20/20 vision ...

Im lost Jc so you think this goverment done the right thing on the sunday before the faithful night..Bond holders should have being burned .....

**Boxtyeater** Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:35 am

mullins wrote:
Boxtyeater wrote:Will you ever stop raising hares FFS......
That weekend, Boxty and Nanny had a €500k. maturing bond in the AIB.......If the Bank guarantee scheme didn't materialise, a run on the Banks took place the next day, where was I, (Or Nanny)....That few YoYos are to help the grandchildren out in times ahead.......
Mercifully, we recovered our few euro, but the gain over 5 years was minimal, what would the scenario have been without the guarantee.....Armageddon...

Just truths boxty the Goverment should fall on this..Somethings are more important than what you stood to lose..Me Fein ....

You'd want "The Simpleton's Guide To Finance" here mullins....The people of the nation had (whatever it was) money in The Bank... Not probably in shares, not probably in lurid investment schemes, basically, in the fooking Bank.......2/3/4 %.......Our/My/Your Credit Union money......
The Banks were insolvent......ie. potless, and couldn't withhold a "run".......Lenihan stepped in with a guarentee, correct move for all to see, imaginative, groundbreaking and a confidence boost to Europe....
Get down off your Cross, for it appears to me that your nothing bar a "wannabee leftie".....**

**I find your perception of the current National plan self perpetuating, greedy and utterly founded on the "Mé Féin" theory........ Embarassed

**mullins** Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:09 pm

Boxtyeater wrote:
mullins wrote:
Boxtyeater wrote:Will you ever stop raising hares FFS......
That weekend, Boxty and Nanny had a €500k. maturing bond in the AIB.......If the Bank guarantee scheme didn't materialise, a run on the Banks took place the next day, where was I, (Or Nanny)....That few YoYos are to help the grandchildren out in times ahead.......
Mercifully, we recovered our few euro, but the gain over 5 years was minimal, what would the scenario have been without the guarantee.....Armageddon...

Just truths boxty the Goverment should fall on this..Somethings are more important than what you stood to lose..Me Fein ....

You'd want "The Simpleton's Guide To Finance" here mullins....The people of the nation had (whatever it was) money in The Bank... Not probably in shares, not probably in lurid investment schemes, basically, in the fooking Bank.......2/3/4 %.......Our/My/Your Credit Union money......
The Banks were insolvent......ie. potless, and couldn't withhold a "run".......Lenihan stepped in with a guarentee, correct move for all to see, imaginative, groundbreaking and a confidence boost to Europe....
Get down off your Cross, for it appears to me that your nothing bar a "wannabee leftie".....**

**I find your perception of the current National plan self perpetuating, greedy and utterly founded on the "Mé Féin" theory........

Could you put it in Layman's terms couldn't understand simpleton's scratch

**Boxtyeater** Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:20 pm

mullins wrote:[Could you put it in Layman's terms couldn't understand simpleton's

I'm in an indulgent mood so: Without the guarentee scheme, it appears to me our few shekels could have merrily evaporated......Not a pleasent thought.....

**Jayo Cluxton** Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:19 pm

mullins wrote:Im lost Jc so you think this goverment done the right thing on the sunday before the faithful night..Bond holders should have being burned .....

Which bond holders mullins? Subordinate yes - and they will take a hair cut. There is a perception out there (lazy media again) that all bond holders are individual trillionaires with yachts and supermodels in every port.

Bond holders could be pensions trusts, credit unions - anything. They lend a few bob with the promise of a certain rate of return over a set period - they are not criminals.

Think of two guys in the local. Both always cadging a few bob. Mr A is sound enough and as soon as Friday comes will seek you out to give you your score. Mr B will avoid you like the plague and you will not make the same mistake twice. Default on your bonds and you are Mr B ..... So where do you get the money to pay pensions, welfare, dole etc???

**mullins** Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:29 pm

Jayo Cluxton wrote:
mullins wrote:Im lost Jc so you think this goverment done the right thing on the sunday before the faithful night..Bond holders should have being burned .....

Which bond holders mullins? Subordinate yes - and they will take a hair cut. There is a perception out there (lazy media again) that all bond holders are individual trillionaires with yachts and supermodels in every port.

Bond holders could be pensions trusts, credit unions - anything. They lend a few bob with the promise of a certain rate of return over a set period - they are not criminals.

Think of two guys in the local. Both always cadging a few bob. Mr A is sound enough and as soon as Friday comes will seek you out to give you your score. Mr B will avoid you like the plague and you will not make the same mistake twice. Default on your bonds and you are Mr B ..... So where do you get the money to pay pensions, welfare, dole etc???

Jc i've already put up who the bond holders are on this site.But you must have missed it..As far as i know the Credit union were exposed for 100 million, if you can tell me which other Irish instituions were exposed i would like to hear..As for the pension trust they are no different you gamble you lose....I agree that all irish deposit holders should have being covered after that in layman's terms f--k them..

**Jayo Cluxton** Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:46 pm

F--k them is all very well mullins but when you need to borrow to exist - like we do - its not advisable to tell people who invested in your State to fook off! If you invested a grand in the GPO at a set rate for 5 years (cast iron investment) and went into O'Connell St one sunny morning and were told your money was gone so fook off, how would you feel. It's the same thing.

Argentine defaulted back in 2001/02 and were frozen out of the markets until this year - and when they came back in it was at 12% Bond markets have long memories.

**mullins** Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:01 am

**Boxtyeater** Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:10 am

Jayo Cluxton wrote:F--k them is all very well mullins but when you need to borrow to exist - like we do - its not advisable to tell people who invested in your State to fook off! If you invested a grand in the GPO at a set rate for 5 years (cast iron investment) and went into O'Connell St one sunny morning and were told your money was gone so fook off, how would you feel. It's the same thing.

Argentine defaulted back in 2001/02 and were frozen out of the markets until this year - and when they came back in it was at 12% Bond markets have long memories.

Mulllin's grasp of economics/fiscal rectitude cruelly exposed here....The "copy and paste" believer must consider his options at this juncture....

**mullins** Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:05 am

Boxtyeater wrote:
Jayo Cluxton wrote:F--k them is all very well mullins but when you need to borrow to exist - like we do - its not advisable to tell people who invested in your State to fook off! If you invested a grand in the GPO at a set rate for 5 years (cast iron investment) and went into O'Connell St one sunny morning and were told your money was gone so fook off, how would you feel. It's the same thing.

Argentine defaulted back in 2001/02 and were frozen out of the markets until this year - and when they came back in it was at 12% Bond markets have long memories.

Mulllin's grasp of economics/fiscal rectitude cruelly exposed here....The "copy and paste" believer must consider his options at this juncture....

Boxty hardly if i am, im in good company every tom dick and harry and Most Irish people BELIEVEthat the banking death has fook all to do with them ,when once we were a soverign state..Now were owned by the IMF thanks to your party....The government didn't have the balls to stiff Anglo and INBS...Why should we have to bailout banks bondholders these people gamble, like a punter on a horses if you get it right you win if you get it wrong you lose no whinging , begging or bailout..

The muppets in goverment made bank death=soverign death remember that..I suppose the Dublin 4 brigade and Cronies V Goverment there was always going to be 1 winner..

Who picks up the tab THE PEOPLE Evil or Very Mad

[

**Boxtyeater** Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:18 pm

Beverley Flynn will not be contesting the upcoming election.....A sad day for Mayo, bringing to an end an era of wonderful service provided to constituents by herself and her esteemed father Padraig.....
"The black flags were hoisted........."

**mullins** Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:20 pm

Boxtyeater wrote:Beverley Flynn will not be contesting the upcoming election.....A sad day for Mayo, bringing to an end an era of wonderful service provided to constituents by herself and her esteemed father Padraig.....
"The black flags were hoisted........."

Boxty why do you respect these people..

**mullins** Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:26 pm

VB good debate on sell out

**hipster 2** Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:27 pm

the flynns should be charged and throwing into jail , as for getting a loan of money there is more than just the IMF out there F the bond holders i invested in pensions will i get my money back no i gambled and lost life moves on , we are like a bull getting pulled around by the nose a country of gobsheens

**Boxtyeater** Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:50 am

mullins wrote:[Boxty why do you respect these people..

Consider all the wonderful infrastructural improvements Pee sourced in his great years as a Minister and EU Commissioner on behalf of Mayo and indeed the West in general...There's talks of a monument to him being erected in Ballaghadereen (the gateway to Mayo)....Once in a lifetime bloke was Pee..... king

Ní beig a leithéid an arís.....

**Boxtyeater** Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:53 am

hipster 2 wrote:the flynns should be charged and throwing into jail , as for getting a loan of money there is more than just the IMF out there F the bond holders i invested in pensions will i get my money back no i gambled and lost life moves on , we are like a bull getting pulled around by the nose a country of gobsheens

Throw up a few examples there buddy that will lend to us at the rate the deal was brokered at.....Take the weekend at it if you need to....

**Grenvile** Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:59 am

Boxtyeater wrote:
hipster 2 wrote:the flynns should be charged and throwing into jail , as for getting a loan of money there is more than just the IMF out there F the bond holders i invested in pensions will i get my money back no i gambled and lost life moves on , we are like a bull getting pulled around by the nose a country of gobsheens

Throw up a few examples there buddy that will lend to us at the rate the deal was brokered at.....Take the weekend at it if you need to....

Hipster seems a bit like the Labour Party, his agenda is that Fianna Fails agenda is incorrect.

**Boxtyeater** Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:01 am

Jonsmith wrote:[Hipster seems a bit like the Labour Party, his agenda is that Fianna Fails agenda is incorrect.

Impending General Election....GT's choice..... - Page 2 Smiley25

**RMDrive** Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:20 am

Jonsmith wrote:
Boxtyeater wrote:
hipster 2 wrote:the flynns should be charged and throwing into jail , as for getting a loan of money there is more than just the IMF out there F the bond holders i invested in pensions will i get my money back no i gambled and lost life moves on , we are like a bull getting pulled around by the nose a country of gobsheens

Throw up a few examples there buddy that will lend to us at the rate the deal was brokered at.....Take the weekend at it if you need to....

Hipster seems a bit like the Labour Party, his agenda is that Fianna Fails agenda is incorrect.

And yet it's working in the polls!
Hipster's popularity is at is highest level ever.
He has my vote rocker

**mullins** Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:17 am

Flynn was found by the Supreme Court to be a liar and a perjurer-this is the only country in the world where she would not have to stand trial for her lies,same as o dea ,in England Jefferey Archer got 5 years for perjury in a similar caes.How people can still support FF is shocking but i suppose its their right..they have done much harm to our people and our country.cutting the minimum wage. Refusing the right of the people to vote.Destroying our economy and the IMF having to come in to help restore our finances and our FF zombie goverment.FF are stripping Castlebar Regional Hospital day by day of its faciities. Beds closed by the dozen, staff laid off by the hundreds, cancer unit gone,still waiting for the privately funded MRI scanner to be installed after months.All voted for in the dail with beverleys full support hope that makes you happy Boxty..Another political dynesty bites the dust and thank Fook. As long as people want to vote for traitors i suppose they get what they deserved affraid

**hipster 2** Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:25 pm

i was talking to a german friend a while back and he asked me why did yous irish vote in chancers like these unqualified chancers as he said , this german has 30 people working for him here and he is on his way out of this place , he is totally disgusted at the lack of leadership in this country as he said yous must like getting f,.ked in the ass , and i am not going to educate yous as who would have giving us money but its quite obvious who they are if yous bothered to do a bit of research instead of believiing ths shi.e we are getting fed and yous call yourselves educated Twisted Evil

**hipster 2** Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:44 pm

by the way boxy what fraud grant did flynn get you

**Grenvile** Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:54 pm

hipster 2 wrote:i was talking to a german friend a while back and he asked me why did yous irish vote in chancers like these unqualified chancers as he said , this german has 30 people working for him here and he is on his way out of this place , he is totally disgusted at the lack of leadership in this country as he said yous must like getting f,.ked in the ass , and i am not going to educate yous as who would have giving us money but its quite obvious who they are if yous bothered to do a bit of research instead of believiing ths shi.e we are getting fed and yous call yourselves educated

This is almost as good as mullins and the mysterious case of the Legal Garda Assault.. You have the correct answer to shut us all up but you don't won't tell it.. Brilliant.

**hipster 2** Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:01 pm

well jonsmith i see more rats are leaving the sinking ship , and the answer well why dont you use your fingers your a clever bloke , the government sold us out they do not care the super rich made the mess and now its up to us to fix it only in ireland could this happen in a proper democracy these people are pursued through the courts and face justice ,

Sponsored content

In the light of FF's meltdown in DSW whom does the forumites think should govern us, going forward: