Impending General Election....GT's choice.....

In the light of FF's meltdown in DSW whom does the forumites think should govern us going forward:

Mullins is undecided joke..Try your best to convince me what your party can bring to the table....Please

mullins wrote:Mullins is undecided joke..Try your best to convince me what your party can bring to the table....Please

Electoral/Governmantal control for 21 of the last 25 years...So long as they slung it out, in terms of Governmental aid/assistance (Dole, pensions,medical cards) they were great (could have been greater ).....Now the tide has ebbed, the flotsam are left on the beach, floundering.....Fook them and theirs.

Boxtyeater wrote:

mullins wrote:Mullins is undecided joke..Try your best to convince me what your party can bring to the table....Please

Electoral/Governmantal control for 21 of the last 25 years...So long as they slung it out, in terms of Governmental aid/assistance (Dole, pensions,medical cards) they were great (could have been greater ).....Now the tide has ebbed, the flotsam are left on the beach, floundering.....Fook them and theirs.

Not convinced boxty..have to say the dole payments were getting better till you go into bed with anglo..but now their going backwards i will have to look for an alternative..and fooked if im going on a Fas course at this stage of my life..Looks like i have to top up the dole with dodgy vodka and a few smokes..

mullins wrote:[ at this stage of my life..Looks like i have to top up the dole with dodgy vodka and a few smokes.. :bom:

Dancing with the Devil there sonny.....That market is under our control already.....**
** Oops, I forgot, you're not in the Western Alliance, although Solan's latest outbursts could see him "Persons non grata"....

Mullins is "not to be trusted".......Cogged..

Boxtyeater wrote:

mullins wrote:[ at this stage of my life..Looks like i have to top up the dole with dodgy vodka and a few smokes.. :bom:

Dancing with the Devil there sonny.....That market is under our control already.....**
** Oops, I forgot, you're not in the Western Alliance, although Solan's latest outbursts could see him "Persons non grata"....

Mullins is "not to be trusted".......Cogged..

Never trust a blue shirt

Well whats the politcial landscape

FF - 90s-2005 Centre right post 2005/2006 Inchodony think thank losing touch with grass roots lets be good to the poor as well as the rich - Bertienomics - only party in the world that was centre left and centre right at the same time
Low taxes - high welfare and pro public sector - A bit like drinking aftershocks and snorting coke when you are on anti-depressants.

Fine Gael - beaten docket leader Klingon in a half hearted leadership challenge - FF light small farmers
sit on the fence - - Advice Get off the fence and take a stance

Labour - We disagree with all your polices but have none of our own - We are not radical enough for the radicals and middle Ireland still think we are a shower of beardies

Shinners - Resting their hopes on Gerry riding into Dundalk on a gilded Mule - in palm Sunday type glory
All well till he gets asked his opinion on Nama and he'll tell us that its a time for Change - IMF its a time for change and 32 county approach to dealing with the IMF - Gerry what about the ICA - Time for a 32 county island of Ireland approach to combat the ICA/BCG etc

Solution [/b][/u]

New party - PD "esque" - pro low tax- low welfare - low min wage - become a yankee springboard into Europe
Tell the Irish American Conservative Reuplicans we want to be basically the 51st state.

No time for sitting on the fence - out of every crisis emerges a strong centre (at best) party - Privatisation - Public sector reform - Break the unions - Free marketenomics - Thatcherism
Go on the front foot

New party - PD "esque" - pro low tax- low welfare - low min wage - become a yankee springboard into Europe
Tell the Irish American Conservative Reuplicans we want to be basically the 51st state.

No time for sitting on the fence - out of every crisis emerges a strong centre (at best) party - Privatisation - Public sector reform - Break the unions - Free marketenomics - Thatcherism
Go on the front foot

They've already been established. They were launched only last week but they've had a name change already - were called the 'National Alliance' now called 'National Forum' because it shared the name with a white supremacist group!

Shock Jock/ Economist Mark Coleman, David Quinn formerly of the Irish Catholic and political spindoctor John(?) McGurk are all involved.

Their website is down so I can't give a link.

Anyways, in a day or two google the new name and it might be back.

This National Forum crowd have a plan...

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Economic Plan: Summary

A credible economic plan must do two things. Firstly, it must urgently and credibly identify savings needed to lower our deficit to 3 % of GDP by 2014. Secondly, it must restore full employment by the end of this decade by thorough economic reform .Given the power of vested interests that need to be taken on to accomplish either task, political reform must be an integral part of economic reform: Economic reform cannot succeed without political reforms that go beyond what any political party to date has countenanced.

The National Forum 7 point plan has therefore three main pillars:

- Point 1 of the plan identifies cuts that will fairly and safely reduce our deficit to 3% of GDP by 2014

- Point 2 identifies radical and far reaching reforms of our political system to liberate the great potential of the Irish people and economy from the shackles of failed politics

- Points 3 through to 7 identify reforms in our private sector, banking sector and economy generally that are needed to release the untapped potential of the Irish economy

POINT 1: A CREDIBLE BUDGETARY PLAN

* 2011: 2,750 million by implementing the McCarthy measures (see Annex I.B )
* 2011: 620 million by benchmarking public pay over €35.5k to EU norms (see Annex I.D)
* 2011: 1,500 million – without net rises in taxation – from tax buoyancy from reforms (see Annex II.B)
* 2011: 950 million from University fees, means testing and reform of welfare
* 2011: 380 million from cuts in public pension incomes over €35k p.a. (see Annex I.E)
* 2011: Offset by 325 million on extra spending on areas of social need in 2011
* 2012: 4,500 million from haircuts to senior debt holders of government owned banks (see Annex I.C)
* 2012: 350 million in tax buoyancy from tax reforms (see Annex II.B)
* 2012: …Offset by 91 million on extra spending:
* 2013: 1,600 million from privatisation of semi state companies (see Annex I.F)
* 2013: 500 million from local authority taxes after & as corollary of savings from reforms (see Point 2)

Point 2 REFORM OF POLITICS

* Multi seat constituencies must be replaced by single seat constituencies, to end endless infighting and clientelism
* The single transferrable voting system must be replaced by a List system of Proportional representation where voters can choose from a national list of candidates selected to provide a diverse range of experience, skills and abilities.
* To ensure effective local representation – and make local government more efficient and effective - local authorities must be reduced in number but increased in size and power.
* Women must be brought into politics not by quotas but on merit by incentivising parties to put women on candidate lists for local and national elections.
* The Senate must be strengthened and subjected to universal franchise.
* TDs and Ministers must be subject to fixed terms.
* Political funding must be drastically reformed to end the current bias towards existing political parties

Point 3 REFORM OF THE TAX SYSTEM

* Net increases in the tax burden must be avoided
* Income tax bands and credits must be rebalanced to ensure a fair contribution across the income spectrum and to protect taxpayers against future stealth taxation
* Stamp duty must be abolished to restore a sustainable normality to the housing and property market
* Tax individualisation must be phased out to end discrimination against women
* Tax reliefs of ordinary families must be given constitutional protection
* The introduction of Tolls on roads – for which taxpayers have already paid through the nose – must be strenuously opposed
* Taxpayer subsidy of third level fees and welfare entitlements for the well off must come to an end
* Only once local authorities have been drasticially reformed – see point 6 – modest local service taxes should be introduced

Point 4 REFORMS FOR FULL EMPLOYMENT

* In tandem with a credible and well implemented privatisation programme, reform of the private sector must strengthen competition throughout the economy
* FAS must be reformed to channel the unemployed quickly and efficiently into suitable job vacancies as they arise. Welfare entitlements must then be made more clearly dependent on inability to find suitable work
* A sensible debate must take place on how Ireland can balance its traditional welcome to outsiders with its duty to provide full employment to its citizens

Point 5 URGENT ACTION TO HELP THOSE LEFT BEHIND IN THE CRISIS

* A Task Force and accompanying measures to help families affected by severe debt or mortgage arrears relating to the family home
* A Task Force to assist those at risk of long-term unemployment
* A Task Force to assist those at risk of youth poverty
* A Task Force to assist emigrants in returning home, and also to fully exploit the diaspora as a helpful resource for them while they are away

Point 6 STABILISATION OF THE BANKING AND PROPERTY SECTOR

* Proper national planning of the pricing and use of land, of urban and spatial planning and of our housing market
* Incentives to shift house buyers to fixed rate mortgages
* Monitoring of credit flow to small business and a comprehensive state policy on bank lending
* Sensible guidelines on home loans that are neither excessively loose nor tight

Point 7 BUILDING AN INDIGENOUS SMART ECONOMY

* Overhual the maths and science curriculum
* Improved targetting of Research and Development spending
* Clear prioritisation of resources towards primary school teaching and facilities
* A national system of innovation and innovation business parks
* Extension and improvement of taxation incentives for applied research and development for the crucial traded services sector.

Boxtyeater wrote:In the light of FF's meltdown in DSW whom does the forumites think should govern us going forward:

Boxty are these figures close to what you have in mind

It has been reported that a Red C poll to be published in tomorrow’s Irish Sun estimates party support levels as follows: Fianna Fail 13%. Fine Gael 32%, Labour 24%, Green Party 3%, Sinn Fein 16%, Independents/Others 11%. Bad and all as these figures are for Fianna Fail, my constituency level analysis of the poll suggests that on those figures Fianna Fail support would have dropped below a level at which the extent of seat losses are highly accelerated and in which the party faces the dire prospect of returning to the next Dail with seat figures in the single numbers. Seats won by the parties based on those figures are estimated as follows: Fianna Fail 12. Fine Gael 67, Labour 48, Green Party 0, Sinn Fein 24, Independents/Others 15. These figures would also raise the possibility of a left-leaning coalition government especially as ten of the seats in the Independents and Others category would be assigned to left wing candidates such as Seamus Healy, Catherine Murphy, Joe Higgins and Richard Boyd Barrett

Paddy power giving 7/1- 25 or less seats for the failure party get on..money for nothing

Boxty Leitrim/ Ros holding up i see..

don't care who s in as long as they work for the country all i can see is a 166 waste of spaces for the last few years.
There should only be a max ox 60 of the feckers.
Only allowed be a politician and nothing else, if a teacher they have to give up the job and not hold it in a sabbatical.
Be one thing or the other and concentrate on steering this proud land of ours to firmer footing for the next generation coming up.
I am not really loving the new Irish dream, working at present 7 days and a lot longer hours for less money and more importantly less family time.
Abolish the presidency and the senad limit the number sitting in county councils, in Wexford we have 21 all on a min of €35k plus expenses.

JimWexford wrote:don't care who s in as long as they work for the country all i can see is a 166 waste of spaces for the last few years.
There should only be a max ox 60 of the feckers.
Only allowed be a politician and nothing else, if a teacher they have to give up the job and not hold it in a sabbatical.
Be one thing or the other and concentrate on steering this proud land of ours to firmer footing for the next generation coming up.
I am not really loving the new Irish dream, working at present 7 days and a lot longer hours for less money and more importantly less family time.
Abolish the presidency and the senad limit the number sitting in county councils, in Wexford we have 21 all on a min of €35k plus expenses.

Was talking to a counciller last week- He was telling me about some regional sub-committe or other that the TD for the area appointed him to along with half a dozen lads from Kerry to Donegal - All it is is that they all have meetings in Cork the next one in Donegal the next one in Kerry etc - Expenses overnights, free piss up and per diems. All they do is agree where the next meeting is - There are dozens if not hundreds of these going on across the country

mullins wrote:It has been reported that a Red C poll to be published in tomorrow’s Irish Sun

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

mullins wrote:It has been reported that a Red C poll to be published in tomorrow’s Irish Sun

......... If i was in power i would return the celtic tiger within weeks....

Sebastian wrote:Shock Jock/ Economist Mark Coleman, David Quinn formerly of the Irish Catholic and political spindoctor John(?) McGurk are all involved.

Quality stuff there alright - McGurk who supported Ganley yeah? If they can get another few really good guys - pianist Frank McNamara (AKA Mr Theresa Lowe), a born again George Lee, David 'I told you everything but if you read ALL my stuff I got shitloads wrong too which is why I am not a billionaire now after predicting everything' McWilliams, George (unlucky in business myself) Hook, Vincent ditto Browne and Eamon 'paragon of virtue' Dunphy - then who knows ....

Careful what you wish for...

mullins - I thought that paper only did polls on who had the biggest t**s in Ireland etc.

Being originally from west Belfast I have voted for myself 4 times.

However I now note that Northerners do not get a vote despite Mr McGourty's petition. Kevin that is. Twas always the way, sold us out and then forgot about us.

he seriously has a petition up to allow Everyone to vote in the presidential election.

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Jayo Cluxton wrote:

Sebastian wrote:Shock Jock/ Economist Mark Coleman, David Quinn formerly of the Irish Catholic and political spindoctor John(?) McGurk are all involved.

Quality stuff there alright - McGurk who supported Ganley yeah? If they can get another few really good guys - pianist Frank McNamara (AKA Mr Theresa Lowe), a born again George Lee, David 'I told you everything but if you read ALL my stuff I got shitloads wrong too which is why I am not a billionaire now after predicting everything' McWilliams, George (unlucky in business myself) Hook, Vincent ditto Browne and Eamon 'paragon of virtue' Dunphy - then who knows ....

Careful what you wish for...

mullins - I thought that paper only did polls on who had the biggest t**s in Ireland etc.

Couldn't tell you that its beyond my years..Never done the watching bit

The genuine recruitment poster of young FF.

Statement by Pat Rabbitte TD
Spokesperson on Justice
Dáil Candidate for Dublin South West

.The Labour Party Spokesperson on Justice, Deputy Pat Rabbitte, has said that comments made by the Leader of the Green Party, John Gormley, in an interview on RTE with Marian Finnucane today suggested that the public had not been told the full truth about the circumstances surrounding the introduction of the blanket bank guarantee in September 2008.

In the version we have been given by the government to date the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance were approached on the evening of Monday, September 29th by the Chairmen and Chief Executives of the two main banks with dire warnings of what would happen when the banks opened in the morning. According to this version the two Brians had little time to consider the matter, that they were placed under great pressure, decided late that night to introduce the guarantee and sought the approval of other Ministers through an 'incorporeal' meeting of the Cabinet.

"However, according the version of events given by Mr. Gormley in his interview this morning, there had been a meeting of the cabinet the previous day (Sunday) at which it was agreed to introduce the guarantee, with the Taoiseach and the Minister for Finance being given the go-ahead to tie up some of the details.

"This is the first time I have heard any reference to a Sunday cabinet meeting or that the government had given its approval for a guarantee on that date. If Mr. Gormley's account is accurate then the public and the Dail have been seriously misled. If the account is accurate it also means that far from being pushed into making the guarantee, the government made a calm and calculated decision to tie the country's interests to that of the banks

"There is a now a fair deal of consensus that the introduction of the guarantee was a disaster that set in motion a chain of events that has led to the EU and the IMF dictating our economic destiny for years to come.

"

Will you ever stop raising hares FFS......
That weekend, Boxty and Nanny had a €500k. maturing bond in the AIB.......If the Bank guarantee scheme didn't materialise, a run on the Banks took place the next day, where was I, (Or Nanny)....That few YoYos are to help the grandchildren out in times ahead.......
Mercifully, we recovered our few euro, but the gain over 5 years was minimal, what would the scenario have been without the guarantee.....Armageddon...

Boxtyeater wrote:Will you ever stop raising hares FFS......
That weekend, Boxty and Nanny had a €500k. maturing bond in the AIB.......If the Bank guarantee scheme didn't materialise, a run on the Banks took place the next day, where was I, (Or Nanny)....That few YoYos are to help the grandchildren out in times ahead.......
Mercifully, we recovered our few euro, but the gain over 5 years was minimal, what would the scenario have been without the guarantee.....Armageddon...

Just truths boxty the Goverment should fall on this..Somethings are more important than what you stood to lose..Me Fein ....