Tommy Carr - is his position as manager of Cavan untenable?

Just read an article in the Independent about turmoil in the Cavan camp - not again I hear you say.

The bones of the article are that Jason Reilly has criticised the Carr regime saying things are very relaxed and laid back with guys doing the bare minimum and yet managing to stay on the team. Reilly says that himself and a few of the other guys in the squad reckon its time for Carr to step down.

Carr has defended himself saying that the lack of game time afforded to Reilly may be the real crux of his problems with Carr and that he fully intends seeing out his contract with Cavan.

It begs the question though if senior members of the team come out in public and criticise the management structure and setup is it best for all concerned if the manager does step down or should he stick to his guns and give it another lash next year???

Its all over I reckon ......

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Its all over I reckon ......

Jayo - you shouldnt have spent so much time putting that opinion in writing

Cavan went all out and hired some sophisticated management recruitment team when last they went looking for a county manager and whats the best that this recruitment crowd could come up with it?
Tommy Carr, a man with a track record that would even make Stephen Staunton just wanna give up.
The mind boggles sometimes I swear it really does.

bocerty wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Its all over I reckon ......

Jayo - you shouldnt have spent so much time putting that opinion in writing

Ok I'll elaborate - you go to your mechanic and he says that the basics are all over the shop - nothing in the engine is talking to each other - the bodywork has too many miles on the clock and there are some serious whining noises going on - there is only one recommendation.......

get rid of the Carr ......

mossbags wrote:Cavan went all out and hired some sophisticated management recruitment team when last they went looking for a county manager and whats the best that this recruitment crowd could come up with it?
Tommy Carr, a man with a track record that would even make Stephen Staunton just wanna give up.
The mind boggles sometimes I swear it really does.

in fairness to Tommy Carr, Mossbags - i know a guy who was involved with Cavan under the previous management team and he said they were the laziest shower he had ever met - they were not interested in putting in the work and basically done what they pleased.

I'd say the truth lies somewhere between both arguments - but neither side is going to come out of this one with much credit and it doesnt bode well for Cavan football in the short term either.

here in is the problem with most county teams, they think that they have this god given right to speak out even after they not the management they lost the match!!! now the manager has a huge role to play he does, getting there preparation in order, team selections and subs and tactics but when a player comes out and says the set up was too laid back i get so bloody agree, you are county players for god sakes, you have to put the work in you have to bring the intencity to training and matches, you are in control ofhow you prepare and the commitment you give nobody eles. time for these jumped up little s***s to take some reponsibility for losing and letting there county down!!!

rich dublin wrote:here in is the problem with most county teams, they think that they have this god given right to speak out even after they not the management they lost the match!!! now the manager has a huge role to play he does, getting there preparation in order, team selections and subs and tactics but when a player comes out and says the set up was too laid back i get so bloody agree, you are county players for god sakes, you have to put the work in you have to bring the intencity to training and matches, you are in control ofhow you prepare and the commitment you give nobody eles. time for these jumped up little s***s to take some reponsibility for losing and letting there county down!!!

Exactly.

It seems like sour grapes on Reillys part but at the same time if a senior squad member is coming out criticising him it wont be long until others follow suit.
I think the Cork hurlers have set a precedence that if your not happy with your manager, bleat about it in the media and the county board will have to act.

He obviously brings nothing to Cavan and if there is unrest in the camp and he stays there, things will be worse next year. He should swallow his pride and walk rather than be ousted by the county board.

This is nothing new aenior player calling on the manaegr to be sacked, a senior player who is getting very little game time to be honest about the issue.
since the cork saga 1 through 3 the media and others are picking up on it as if it never happened before.
It has happened on countless occcasion an will happen again as they say build a bridgr and get over it.
He (reilly) could be the mouthpiece to be given the bullet to bring order to the squad.
what is it with teams ,we had it with our "beloved" hurlers down here same shower couldn't beat there way out of a brown paper bag(a wet one AT THAT).

They should bring in that lad from Munterconnaught off the powerade ads.

good sweeper all right

No point in changing the manager every year, a manager needs time at least 3 years.

clash-of-da-ash wrote:No point in changing the manager every year, a manager needs time at least 3 years.

Agreed and especially teams like Cavan, etc and so on with no real success in the last generation that they expect a new manager in and to win titles all around them

Any manager coming in needs something to work with/build on.
Cavan have neither, Seanie Johnston excepted. Reports doing the rounds speak of Carr's domineering personality and his failure to galvanise "the troops".
Gone I'd say....

Boxtyeater wrote:Any manager coming in needs something to work with/build on.
Cavan have neither, Seanie Johnston excepted. Reports doing the rounds speak of Carr's domineering personality and his failure to galvanise "the troops".
Gone I'd say....

An army man failing to galvanise the troops ....... worrying!

Titles are irrelevant in all of this as regards Cavan. People would be perfectly happy leaving breffni park after watching Cavan lose if they knew the players actually wanted to win the game. The attitude of the players is brutal and I dont know what manager is going to change this.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:[
An army man failing to galvanise the troops ....... worrying!

To put it in agricultural parlance Jayo, it appears that "he's unable to lead or drive".
His "experiences" with the sheep-stealers has broken his spirit, but then again, they are capable of doing that to most managers.
Could Alex Ferguson tame the Rossies? - doubtful.

Renowned Cavan poster "tomsmith" has re-emerged on the other forum with a campaign to re-instate Donal Keoghan as Cavan manager.
Tom is casting himself somewhere between P.J.Mara and J.Danforth Quayle in this "battle for the hearts and minds" of Cavan's beleaguered supporters.