The reason why it would be a surprise if Meath reached the Quarter-final stage

samin10 wrote:

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

samin10 wrote:

bald eagle wrote:So does the fact that they have progressed mean that they haven't bottled their last 2 apperances in AI finals? Dress it up how you like, they have, and are bottlers. They played some great football to get to the AI final then shat the bed and got destroyed!

I wouldnt say they got destroyed last year and personally i think they were just beaten by the better team on the day. The big difference between Cork and Mayo for me is that Cork are vastly improved on what they were in 2007 and IMO they will win an all-ireland within the next couple of years something that i cannot say about Mayo. So in short, Cork like Mayo in the past decade have given us some of the worst all-ireland final performances in history but to put the two in the same category (as bottlers) is unfair on Cork as they clearly are much closer to addressing the problem than Mayo. Cork have progressed since 2007, Mayo have gone backwards since 2006

You see, I hate to see this type of comment from someone, because it shows that they haven't a clue about Mayo football. Look back to 2006, Mayo had a match against Leitrim, they just won that match, although Harte(midfielder) was sent off that day. Against Galway in the Connaught final, Mayo didn't play very well, they picked it up the last 15 minutes, but they were far from their best. Against Laois, they were way below par, again in the rematch too. Against Dublin, Mayo picked up their game. Mortimer played exceptionally well, McGarrity of course was disgustingly fouled by Whelan so went off, that's when Mayo started to go downhill a bit. In the second half, they staright away went 7 points to the bad. A Moran was brought on, scored a goal and points from Mortimer and McDonald etc. secured the match. Mayo played magnificently that day in some areas, but not after half-time. I won't even mention the final.

How have Mayo gone backwards since then? They have got fantastic new talents in the likes of Aidan and Séamus O'Shea, Varley, Vaughan and McLoughlin as well as others. You are only basing Mayo's 2006 season on one match, you're not looking deeply into their other encounters. I would call that surface analysis. Mayo have improved since then, psychologically they are getting stronger. They're scoring more goals, which was a problem for them back in '06. Forwards back in 2006 needed improvisation, their forwards have improved. Samin, that was a very loose statement.

2006, Mayo got to an all-ireland final, they were far from great but it still takes a decent side to get there. 2009 they deservedly get knocked out by Meath (a team that would shock you if they got to a quarter final). If you are basing Mayo's improvement on national league performances then you have not learnt your lesson (ie Mayo always look good in national league but do little in championship). How can you say they have got better when they get to a final in 06 and in their last championship game they get knocked out by someone who (without actually saying it) you make out to be rubbish. If thats progress then they must have been really bad in 2006.

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

samin10 wrote:

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

samin10 wrote:

bald eagle wrote:So does the fact that they have progressed mean that they haven't bottled their last 2 apperances in AI finals? Dress it up how you like, they have, and are bottlers. They played some great football to get to the AI final then shat the bed and got destroyed!

I wouldnt say they got destroyed last year and personally i think they were just beaten by the better team on the day. The big difference between Cork and Mayo for me is that Cork are vastly improved on what they were in 2007 and IMO they will win an all-ireland within the next couple of years something that i cannot say about Mayo. So in short, Cork like Mayo in the past decade have given us some of the worst all-ireland final performances in history but to put the two in the same category (as bottlers) is unfair on Cork as they clearly are much closer to addressing the problem than Mayo. Cork have progressed since 2007, Mayo have gone backwards since 2006

You see, I hate to see this type of comment from someone, because it shows that they haven't a clue about Mayo football. Look back to 2006, Mayo had a match against Leitrim, they just won that match, although Harte(midfielder) was sent off that day. Against Galway in the Connaught final, Mayo didn't play very well, they picked it up the last 15 minutes, but they were far from their best. Against Laois, they were way below par, again in the rematch too. Against Dublin, Mayo picked up their game. Mortimer played exceptionally well, McGarrity of course was disgustingly fouled by Whelan so went off, that's when Mayo started to go downhill a bit. In the second half, they staright away went 7 points to the bad. A Moran was brought on, scored a goal and points from Mortimer and McDonald etc. secured the match. Mayo played magnificently that day in some areas, but not after half-time. I won't even mention the final.

How have Mayo gone backwards since then? They have got fantastic new talents in the likes of Aidan and Séamus O'Shea, Varley, Vaughan and McLoughlin as well as others. You are only basing Mayo's 2006 season on one match, you're not looking deeply into their other encounters. I would call that surface analysis. Mayo have improved since then, psychologically they are getting stronger. They're scoring more goals, which was a problem for them back in '06. Forwards back in 2006 needed improvisation, their forwards have improved. Samin, that was a very loose statement.

2006, Mayo got to an all-ireland final, they were far from great but it still takes a decent side to get there. 2009 they deservedly get knocked out by Meath (a team that would shock you if they got to a quarter final). If you are basing Mayo's improvement on national league performances then you have not learnt your lesson (ie Mayo always look good in national league but do little in championship). How can you say they have got better when they get to a final in 06 and in their last championship game they get knocked out by someone who (without actually saying it) you make out to be rubbish. If thats progress then they must have been really bad in 2006.

Surface analysis again. I'm not basing Mayo's form on the League. You obviously haven't been watching much Mayo football, because if you had, you would see the areas in which they have improved. Mayo have developed their long ball technique into the full forwards, this has worked particularly well with O'Shea. The Half-Back line have made vast improvements with their handling and drive. Against Galway last year, their Midfield was on commanding form, same with their matches before that. You look back to 2006, their forwards need improvement. They were kicking alot of wides, sometimes couldn't keep the ball, but now over the past 2 seasons there has been marked improvement in that.

As for the highlighted line, I stopped paying attention after that, as it's paradoxal, bordering on laughable.

EstherMayo1951 wrote:The childish emoticons really suited that post.

samin10 wrote:

EstherMayo1951 wrote:The childish emoticons really suited that post.

Esther, you really dont have a clue

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

samin10 wrote:

EstherMayo1951 wrote:The childish emoticons really suited that post.

Esther, you really dont have a clue

You have not provided a valid reason for your accusation that Mayo have gone downhill. You have not a clue.

EstherMayo1951 wrote:

samin10 wrote:

EstherMayo1951 wrote:The childish emoticons really suited that post.

Esther, you really dont have a clue

You have not provided a valid reason for your accusation that Mayo have gone downhill. You have not a clue.

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:The ironic thing is that Esther is chastising Samin10 for the exact same reason that I criticised her. Double standards if I ever seen them. Also I note she opted not to reply to my post yet again. It ain't hard to see why she gets so caught up in all this talk of opinions because only Mullins agrees with the point she's raised on this thread. And lets be fair, that probably lessens her argument even more.

As for Mayo in 2006 compared to Mayo in 2009. 2006 team was miles better and only a deluded supporter would convince themselves otherwise. In 2006, they had one of the finest footballers of the generation namely Ciaran McDonald. My words could not do him enough justice. They also had McGarritty and Harte, the best midfield combination at the time and a couple of other free scoring forwards. Maybe they're on an upward curve right now but certainly they aren't as good as the 2006 All-Ireland finalists.

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:The ironic thing is that Esther is chastising Samin10 for the exact same reason that I criticised her. Double standards if I ever seen them. Also I note she opted not to reply to my post yet again. It ain't hard to see why she gets so caught up in all this talk of opinions because only Mullins agrees with the point she's raised on this thread. And lets be fair, that probably lessens her argument even more.

As for Mayo in 2006 compared to Mayo in 2009. 2006 team was miles better and only a deluded supporter would convince themselves otherwise. In 2006, they had one of the finest footballers of the generation namely Ciaran McDonald. My words could not do him enough justice. They also had McGarritty and Harte, the best midfield combination at the time and a couple of other free scoring forwards. Maybe they're on an upward curve right now but certainly they aren't as good as the 2006 All-Ireland finalists.

samin10 wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:The ironic thing is that Esther is chastising Samin10 for the exact same reason that I criticised her. Double standards if I ever seen them. Also I note she opted not to reply to my post yet again. It ain't hard to see why she gets so caught up in all this talk of opinions because only Mullins agrees with the point she's raised on this thread. And lets be fair, that probably lessens her argument even more.

As for Mayo in 2006 compared to Mayo in 2009. 2006 team was miles better and only a deluded supporter would convince themselves otherwise. In 2006, they had one of the finest footballers of the generation namely Ciaran McDonald. My words could not do him enough justice. They also had McGarritty and Harte, the best midfield combination at the time and a couple of other free scoring forwards. Maybe they're on an upward curve right now but certainly they aren't as good as the 2006 All-Ireland finalists.

Anyone who knows anything about football knows that. You dont have to be watching Mayo week in week out in the national league to know that. They may be improving on the last couple of years (wouldnt be hard) but they are not at 2004-06 level yet (not that is was of a great level either)

mossbags wrote:The type of logic and debate that constitutes the vast majority of this thread, would be the exact sad rationale, that would put most people off, be it a forum, or website or even worse, the very sport itself.
Its pathetic, oneupmanship, my county is better than yours, type bull.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

mossbags wrote:The type of logic and debate that constitutes the vast majority of this thread, would be the exact sad rationale, that would put most people off, be it a forum, or website or even worse, the very sport itself.
Its pathetic, oneupmanship, my county is better than yours, type bull.

Were you in a head shop today?

Strange man - strange. Go to your profile and click on all crap posts by Mossbags and then come back and throw stones ....

mossbags wrote:The type of logic and debate that constitutes the vast majority of this thread, would be the exact sad rationale, that would put most people off, be it a forum, or website or even worse, the very sport itself.
Its pathetic, oneupmanship, my county is better than yours, type bull.

mossbags wrote:Last week when it was TC, you accused him of being drunk('on the sherry'), now it me, you call me a druggie('head shops'), where will this buck stop now Jason?

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

mossbags wrote:Last week when it was TC, you accused him of being drunk('on the sherry'), now it me, you call me a druggie('head shops'), where will this buck stop now Jason?

Head shops don't sell drugs!!!! They are legal.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Gimme Glasnevin any day Moss!!! Incidentally - and a total aside - nearly - I was in Harolds X lunchtime on Sunday and was stopped at traffic lights near SCR when a Mohican came walking up our direction - hadn't seen one in years (come to think of it this guy may have been the last of the mohicans! ) anyways I sez to the 6 and 4 year old - look at the state of this fellas hair ... they sed 'What? Who? Where Da?' Next thing he disappears into a shop before I could show them ........ a head shop!!!!!!! Seriously!

EstherMayo1951 wrote:
I'm saying that the reason that they had bad performances in 2008 and 2009 and so far 2010, is simply because the quality of footballers and the skill is not there. I never said Meath won't get to the quarters(please read all of my post) I said it would be a shock-and it would. You can't see 8 teams that are better than Meath?!?! Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone, Derry, Monaghan, Galway-that's 8 so far! I could go on....

EstherMayo1951 wrote:
I can say with certainty that Mayo are better than Meath.