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Post  Loyal2TheRoyal Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:03 pm

Well I'm a big admirer of Ulster Football - and have made no secret of this fact. The 90s, I feel, were a period when Ulster counties dominated their southern counterparts, at least in the early half of the decade. So in tribute, I've put together an Ulster 1990-1999 selection.

Finbar McConnell

Keiren McKeever - Matt Gallagher - Tony Scullion

Johnny McGurk - Henry Downey - DJ Kane

Anthony Tohill - Anthony Molloy

Martin McHugh - Greg Blaney - James McCartan

Mickey Linden - Ger Houlihan - Peter Canavan

When making this team, I note that Derry's success was founded on a strong defence, whereas Down relied on brilliant forwards. Donegal haven't as marquee names from their '92 All-Ireland when compared with Derry or Down, but I still managed to squeeze in three players from that county.

There was no stand-out goalie so I went for the Tyrone player who picked up an All-Star in 1996. I'm not sure if McKeever's position at corner-back is entirely justified but in recogition of his dual talents, I picked him. Some might argue over the choice of wing-backs too but who else is there I ask? The two Anthonys get the nod at midfield, perhaps a paucity of quality midfielders from this era too. Many of the forwards pick themselves with the controversial choice perhaps being the full-forward. But Armagh had some good years in the nineties too and I remember Houlihan causing a Meath defence all sorts of problems in the 1994 League Final. Tony Boyle is unlucky to miss out as are a few of the Reillys from Cavan and Ronan Carolan who took Donegal to a replay in 1992, and later won Ulster in 1997.

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Post  Loyal2TheRoyal Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:16 pm

Actually now that I think of him, the Antrim goalie, Sean McGreevy was very good for a long period, so I should have had in goals.
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Post  Thomas Clarke Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:46 pm

A good side Loyal, although I'd go for something like:

1. Finbarr McConnell (Tyrone)
2. John Joe Doherty (Donegal)
3. Damien O'Reilly (Cavan)
4. Tony Scullion (Derry)
5. Sean Marty Lockhart (Derry)
6. Henry Downey (Derry)
7. Pascal Canavan (Tyrone)
8. Anthony Tohill (Derry)
9. Gregory McCartan (Down)
10. Martin McHugh (Donegal)
11. Greg Blaney (Down)
12. James McCartan (Down)
13. Mickey Linden (Down)
14. Tony Boyle (Donegal)
15. Peter Canavan (Tyrone)

Strongly considered:
Paul O'Dowd, Stephen King & Dermot McCabe (all Cavan), Brian McGilligan & Kieran McKeever (both Derry), Ross Carr, Conor Deegan & DJ Kane (all Down), Anthony Molloy (Donegal), Kieran McGeeney (Armagh), Fay Devlin (Tyrone).

As you can see, very few of the 'strongly considered' players are forwards, as I actually found the attack very easy to pick, with only Ross Carr/James McCartan causing me any degree of debate.

In goals I went for McConnell ahead of O'Dowd, simply on longevity. In the half-backs, I've included Pascal Canavan and Lockhart, even though both only played a couple of seasons in those positions. Still, I always thought that it was the best position for both of them, and they were outstanding when played there.
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Post  Loyal2TheRoyal Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:12 pm

Sean Marty Lockhart never came into my reckoning - Derry really did produce several tough backs in those days. Although Lokchart wasn't totally established until a few years later, maybe 2001, and was still around in 2007 or 2008.

Damian O'Reilly was the only other player in your team that I hadn't considered.

And Pascal Canavan was also very close to my team - I was going to put him in one of the wing-back positions, unlucky not to make it.

I guess there are five forwards from the nineties who will be remembered for a long time: McHugh, Canavan and the Down trio of Linden, McCartan and Blaney. And they will make most teams. Others I guess that are 'unlucky' to be around in such a strong division would include Ross Carr, Tony Boyle, Ger Houlihan, Diarmuid Marsden, Manus Boyle, Peter Reilly, Larry Reilly Ger Cavlan, Ciaran McBride, James McHugh, Joe Brolly, Enda Gormely and Ronan Carolan.
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Post  bluearmy1 Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:20 pm

Was going to try and make my team but there's just too many names that simply can't be left out. However I would probably have stuck with our very own Mickey McVeigh for goalkeeper who was unlucky to miss out on the glory days (I'm sure he would have caught Redmond's penalty with his teeth). Former Ulster Railway cup and International Rules series 'keeper and probably, strangely, Down's most consistent player once the glory days had passed and it's a real shame that after 12 years dedicated service he had not one intercounty medal to show for it...only 3 Ulster final defeats. The whole Down setup at the time couldn't lace his boots.
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Post  Thomas Clarke Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:34 pm

The reason I went for Lockhart was that he was extremely good from a very young age. He actually won an all-star in 1998, albeit at full back. The one weakness I always thought he had was on the turn, hence I always preferred him at wing-back to corner back. Pascal Canavan was a brilliant, versatile footballer, who was too often asked to do a job his small frame couldn't quite manage (i.e. play midfield).

Tony Boyle would be a definite for me, as he was peerless as a full-forward for a couple of years, before multiple injuries took hold. I thought Boyle had everything you would want in a full-forward.

Interesting to see how things shifted in the next decade - I suspect quite a few more Tyrone and Armagh players would be featuring, and not too many from Down or would be in the debate. Fermanagh would get more than one mention!
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Post  Loyal2TheRoyal Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:43 pm

I liked McVeigh, and to be honest I forgot about him when putting together this team. Himself, McGreevy and McConnell were all good goalkeepers.

Yes a team of the noughties would be made up of - almost - entirely Tyrone and Armagh players. The teams who flew the flag a decade previous all slipped back into obsecurity for a long time, while Tyrone and Armagh dominated. Even Fermanagh and Monaghan made breakthroughs. Down, Derry and Donegal have a lot to answer for during those barren years.

What's eyecatching about Derry's win in 1993 was their lack of any very good forwards - Enda Gormely was the main man for them and that was it. Only Cork, last year, come close as regards champions with bad forwards. I came across a debate about worst All-Ireland champions in 50 years, well certainly if we're looking at last 25, it has to be Derry (1993) or Cork (2010) with Donegal (1992) close behind.
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Post  bluearmy1 Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:30 pm

Yes the fall of Down, Derry, and Donegal in the late 90s is remarkable.

Regarding Down, it's just crazy how bad they got in such a short space of time. I remember being at the 1999 Ulster final and my father wouldn't even make the traditional stop in the Rosewood (now the Sportsman) out of the pure shame of suffering such a heavy defeat against Armagh. A possible explanation was the failure of the youth system to cultivate young talent to compliment the achievements of the early 90s. Linden, the two McCartans, and several other of the big names continued playing right into the darkest days of Down football in the late 90s/early 00's. The wonderful vision and creativity of Blaney was gone...denying Linden and McCartan the type of quality ball that nippy forwards crave; the passionate workrate and never-say-die attitude of DJ Kane was gone. And the ice cold Ross Carr was gone.

And nothing came through. A few decent players like Shane Mulholland came through...Shane Ward jumped ship from Fermanagh and scored a memorable goal against them in the Ulster semi final 2003. Mickey McVeigh, Gregory McCartan, Mickey Linden (who in my first hand experience I can assure you remains lethal in reserve football) remained high quality players and Alan Molloy deserves honourable mention. As for wee James...well it was always said that he only cared about the big stage...and to be fair there was some degree of truth in it; lowly Tullylish were never going to stop him moving the McCartan brand to the Down footballing powerhouse of Burren. He was never one for the dreary early rounds of the Ulster Championship but really came alive in the high profile games. He wasn't really the same player once the glory days had gone.

Then came the minors of 1999 and suddenly Down had a host of potential stars. Coulter, Michael Walsh, Murtagh, Liam Doyle etc. But they were all rushed into the county setup and with the exception of Coulter, few of them were able to weather the immense pressure that was put on them. Murtagh remains sporadically decent, Doyle (a fantastic player who deserved better than an injury-ridden career), and Walsh is long gone. The Ulster final 2003 was a perfect example of how badly Down football had lost its way....on one side you had this upstart Down team against a Tyrone side that had been carefully nurtured through the underage ranks by Mickey Harte....Down went 9 or 10 points up, Paddy O'Rourke danced along the sideline...Tyrone went on to draw the game and hammer us in the replay. It was immaturity against organisation. By the time the minors of 2005 won the All-Ireland, the County Board had learned a lesson. The transition of those minors into the senior setup was done in a much more structured way, and this translated into a good solid U21 setup which formed the basis for the majority of the Down team today, which is certainly in a much better place than it was ten years ago.

The major lesson for Down, and for other counties, is to cultivate their youth system in a more disciplined way...rather than chucking players in when they aren't ready. Down have always had the players and the talent...but mistakes were made in both how the underage setup was dealt with and in the management of the actual senior team itself.

I would have loved to see a good Down team defend the old order against these Tyrone/Armagh upstarts!
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Post  OMAR Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:04 pm

Finbarr McConnell

Keiren McKeever -SM Lockhart - Tony Scullion

Martin Gavigan - Henry Downey - DJ Kane

Anthony Tohill - Gregory McCartan

Martin McHugh - Greg Blaney - Joyce McMullen

James McCarten - Tony Boyle - Peter Canavan

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Post  samin12 Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:26 pm

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:Well I'm a big admirer of Ulster Football - and have made no secret of this fact. The 90s, I feel, were a period when Ulster counties dominated their southern counterparts, at least in the early half of the decade. So in tribute, I've put together an Ulster 1990-1999 selection.

Finbar McConnell

Keiren McKeever - Matt Gallagher - Tony Scullion

Johnny McGurk - Henry Downey - DJ Kane

Anthony Tohill - Anthony Molloy

Martin McHugh - Greg Blaney - James McCartan

Mickey Linden - Ger Houlihan - Peter Canavan

When making this team, I note that Derry's success was founded on a strong defence, whereas Down relied on brilliant forwards. Donegal haven't as marquee names from their '92 All-Ireland when compared with Derry or Down, but I still managed to squeeze in three players from that county.

There was no stand-out goalie so I went for the Tyrone player who picked up an All-Star in 1996. I'm not sure if McKeever's position at corner-back is entirely justified but in recogition of his dual talents, I picked him. Some might argue over the choice of wing-backs too but who else is there I ask? The two Anthonys get the nod at midfield, perhaps a paucity of quality midfielders from this era too. Many of the forwards pick themselves with the controversial choice perhaps being the full-forward. But Armagh had some good years in the nineties too and I remember Houlihan causing a Meath defence all sorts of problems in the 1994 League Final. Tony Boyle is unlucky to miss out as are a few of the Reillys from Cavan and Ronan Carolan who took Donegal to a replay in 1992, and later won Ulster in 1997.

Would agree with Loyals team with the exception i would have Neil Collins in goals. As for Houlihan, he was excellent in 94 but in 93 he got an all star even though Armagh only got to an Ulster semi final. Although we did play more games than the eventual all-ireland champions (Derry). Think Houlihan scored at least a goal in every game

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Post  Loyal2TheRoyal Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:09 pm

OMAR wrote:Finbarr McConnell

Keiren McKeever -SM Lockhart - Tony Scullion

Martin Gavigan - Henry Downey - DJ Kane

Anthony Tohill - Gregory McCartan

Martin McHugh - Greg Blaney - Joyce McMullen

James McCarten - Tony Boyle - Peter Canavan


So Omar hasn't included Mickey Linden in his team. Only big name left out. I remember him talking highly of Joyce McMullen some posts ago so no surprise he's got him at left half forward.
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Post  OMAR Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:19 pm

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:
OMAR wrote:Finbarr McConnell

Keiren McKeever -SM Lockhart - Tony Scullion

Martin Gavigan - Henry Downey - DJ Kane

Anthony Tohill - Gregory McCartan

Martin McHugh - Greg Blaney - Joyce McMullen

James McCarten - Tony Boyle - Peter Canavan



In my view Joyce McMullen was the most natural Donegal footballer of that era. Had a grace and vision on the ball that made him almost a poor mans Maurice fitz or Trevor Giles. In 1990 if he had of got one more game he would have been player of the year (if there was such a thing back then) - Never quite reached the same heights in 1992 and was outshone by Mchughs' Boyles and bonner on AI final day so was the poorest performer of the front six. but having watched in him in the late eighties and 1990 he is my personal favourite and I made room accordingly. I would have him in a different league to players like Manus Boyle who no harm to him was a reasonable placekicker who happened to hit a purple streak one Sunday in September.

But I admit it would be a dissenting view to have him ahead of Linden- even in Donegal





So Omar hasn't included Mickey Linden in his team. Only big name left out. I remember him talking highly of Joyce McMullen some posts ago so no surprise he's got him at left half forward.
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Post  bocerty Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:40 pm

No mention thus far of big Brian McGilligan of Derry - a man mountain and complemented Tohill perfectly - he would get my nod at midfield over McCartan and Molloy.

I would have McCartan ahead of Molloy too for that matter purely for his efforts with the dead ball
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Post  bluearmy1 Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:37 pm

McGilligan...what a man. Remember being at the Gaeltacht and all the lads being after his daughter...until her parents came to visit and they realised who the Da was!
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Post  Jayo Cluxton Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:59 am

Great threads here between the 90s and Noughties. And all the chat about picking certain guys cos they have the Celtic Crosses to their name - fair play. Was just thinking if you were to pick an Ulster team from the 70s or 80s none would have a Celtic Cross. Amazing the impact Ulster has had in the last two decades - out of nothing when you think about it. GAA has been better for it no doubt. Time for Connacht to do something similar in the teenies and twenties methinks ....
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Post  patrique Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:29 am

1. Sean McGreevey (Antrim)
2. Kieran McKeever (Derry)
3. Matt Gallagher
4. Tony Scullion (Derry)
5. Michael McQuillan (Armagh)
6. Henry Downey (Derry)
7. DJ Kane (Down)
8. Anthony Tohill (Derry)
9. Brian McGilligan (Derry)
10. Martin McHugh (Donegal)
11. Greg Blaney (Down)
12. James McCartan (Down)
13. Mickey Linden (Down)
14. Tony Boyle (Donegal)
15. Peter Canavan (Tyrone)


Some may be surprised by McQuillan but Ulster won 6 railway cups in a row in the 1990s and McQuillan was right half on them all.

few players unlucky were Liam Donnelly of Antrim, the best footballing left half of the decade but as Antrim failed to win even one championship game.........

Adrain Cush who had greater promise than Canavan at one stage, Ger Cavlan who was a prototype for Kevin McGourty (yes he was that good) Hegarty of Donegal, Neil Smyth of Armagh, Carolan of Cavan, and Houlihan of Armagh.

A few others who played around then especially from Armagh and Tyrone carried on into the noughties and belong to that decade.

But the forwards Ulster had!!!!!Wonderful. I mean you can say what ye want about Brolley but he was top class but Linden keeps him out, Enda Gormley can't get a look in, and there were afew others.

As regards full forward, Tony Boyle really was something special.
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Post  samin12 Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:30 pm

patrique wrote:1. Sean McGreevey (Antrim)
2. Kieran McKeever (Derry)
3. Matt Gallagher
4. Tony Scullion (Derry)
5. Michael McQuillan (Armagh)
6. Henry Downey (Derry)
7. DJ Kane (Down)
8. Anthony Tohill (Derry)
9. Brian McGilligan (Derry)
10. Martin McHugh (Donegal)
11. Greg Blaney (Down)
12. James McCartan (Down)
13. Mickey Linden (Down)
14. Tony Boyle (Donegal)
15. Peter Canavan (Tyrone)


Some may be surprised by McQuillan but Ulster won 6 railway cups in a row in the 1990s and McQuillan was right half on them all.

few players unlucky were Liam Donnelly of Antrim, the best footballing left half of the decade but as Antrim failed to win even one championship game.........

Adrain Cush who had greater promise than Canavan at one stage, Ger Cavlan who was a prototype for Kevin McGourty (yes he was that good) Hegarty of Donegal, Neil Smyth of Armagh, Carolan of Cavan, and Houlihan of Armagh.

A few others who played around then especially from Armagh and Tyrone carried on into the noughties and belong to that decade.

But the forwards Ulster had!!!!!Wonderful. I mean you can say what ye want about Brolley but he was top class but Linden keeps him out, Enda Gormley can't get a look in, and there were afew others.

As regards full forward, Tony Boyle really was something special.

Excellent player alright if its Martin McQuillan you're talking about.

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Post  patrique Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:05 pm

samin12 wrote:
patrique wrote:1. Sean McGreevey (Antrim)
2. Kieran McKeever (Derry)
3. Matt Gallagher
4. Tony Scullion (Derry)
5. Michael McQuillan (Armagh)
6. Henry Downey (Derry)
7. DJ Kane (Down)
8. Anthony Tohill (Derry)
9. Brian McGilligan (Derry)
10. Martin McHugh (Donegal)
11. Greg Blaney (Down)
12. James McCartan (Down)
13. Mickey Linden (Down)
14. Tony Boyle (Donegal)
15. Peter Canavan (Tyrone)


Some may be surprised by McQuillan but Ulster won 6 railway cups in a row in the 1990s and McQuillan was right half on them all.

few players unlucky were Liam Donnelly of Antrim, the best footballing left half of the decade but as Antrim failed to win even one championship game.........

Adrain Cush who had greater promise than Canavan at one stage, Ger Cavlan who was a prototype for Kevin McGourty (yes he was that good) Hegarty of Donegal, Neil Smyth of Armagh, Carolan of Cavan, and Houlihan of Armagh.

A few others who played around then especially from Armagh and Tyrone carried on into the noughties and belong to that decade.

But the forwards Ulster had!!!!!Wonderful. I mean you can say what ye want about Brolley but he was top class but Linden keeps him out, Enda Gormley can't get a look in, and there were afew others.

As regards full forward, Tony Boyle really was something special.

Excellent player alright if its Martin McQuillan you're talking about.



What did I call him?????

As I explained on a music site I am currently off sick with what I thought was a groin strain, but the reality is my hip is ######d.

The pain, sorry codeine, is dulling my brain.

Martin McQuillan it is.
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