Galway vs Wexford

Is it the worst in Ireland? Home game and there is a bigger crowd at the supermac truck then in the stand.

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Peter Solan the Great wrote:Is it the worst in Ireland? Home game and there is a bigger crowd at the supermac truck then in the stand.

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Very poor all right. Come on Wexford!

Gakway have a very vocal support ............ on GAA forums only ...

What happened to the topic title? If an Armagh man wasn't in charge would it have been changed?

Title was changed so that there wouldn't be another Galway vs Wexford topic created.

Galway the first victims of round 2. Definitely wasn't a penalty in the 52nd minute. Referee had a really good game up until the 51st minute. Would have rated him one of the best perfoming referee's in the 2010 championship but the penalty decision ruined it. As for Galway, still lacking a strong mentality.

If you discount the New York match this is the Fourth championship game in a row where Galway have lost by a point and a lot of these games are where they were in pole position with a few minutes left but didn't have enough to see it through - As pointed out above there is a serious problem with there mental strength when it comes to the crunch


Qualifiers 2010 Lost to Wexford by a point
2010 CSFC - lost to Sligo by apoint
2009 qualifiers lost to donegal by a point
2009 CSFC lostto Mayo by a point

OMAR wrote:If you discount the New York match this is the Fourth championship game in a row where Galway have lost by a point and a lot of these games are where they were in pole position with a few minutes left but didn't have enough to see it through - As pointed out above there is a serious problem with there mental strength when it comes to the crunch


Qualifiers 2010 Lost to Wexford by a point
2010 CSFC - lost to Sligo by apoint
2009 qualifiers lost to donegal by a point
2009 CSFC lostto Mayo by a point

The worst thing about it Omar is that Wexford threw away a lead against a what I could call a poor Dublin side. Sligo aren't that great in my opinion as they have beaten a team who were knocked out by one of Leinster's weakest teams. Donegal were destroyed by Cork last year and never put up a fight against Armagh. Connacht football is in seriously bad shape and for their sake provincials should be scrapped.

GAA-Fan wrote:

OMAR wrote:If you discount the New York match this is the Fourth championship game in a row where Galway have lost by a point and a lot of these games are where they were in pole position with a few minutes left but didn't have enough to see it through - As pointed out above there is a serious problem with there mental strength when it comes to the crunch


Qualifiers 2010 Lost to Wexford by a point
2010 CSFC - lost to Sligo by apoint
2009 qualifiers lost to donegal by a point
2009 CSFC lostto Mayo by a point

The worst thing about it Omar is that Wexford threw away a lead against a what I could call a poor Dublin side. Sligo aren't that great in my opinion as they have beaten a team who were knocked out by one of Leinster's weakest teams. Donegal were destroyed by Cork last year and never put up a fight against Armagh. Connacht football is in seriously bad shape and for their sake provincials should be scrapped.

Correction they haver beaten teams (Just about and with a bit of luck) to two of Leinster weakest teams.

Kernan should get the sack imo. He's been an absolute failure since taking over.

Proof if ever proof was required that Armagh are/were the Ray Cosgrave of intercounty football (a one season wonder).

3inarow08 wrote:Kernan should get the sack imo. He's been an absolute failure since taking over.

Proof if ever proof was required that Armagh are/were the Ray Cosgrave of intercounty football (a one season wonder).

Armagh were realistic contenders from 2001-2006
Won sam in 2002
Ran Tyrone close in 2003
Only team to come close to Tyrone in 2005
Had the upper hand against Kerry in 2006 until Donaghy was "discovered" and a loose pass to let in Darren o Sullivan
They were unlucky not to pick up a second or third title in that period.
however on the Kernan point various people would suggest that Grimley was a strong force in that Regime- Be keen to hear samin10's views on the Kernan/Grimley point

OMAR wrote:
Armagh were realistic contenders from 2001-2006
Won sam in 2002
Ran Tyrone close in 2003
Only team to come close to Tyrone in 2005
Had the upper hand against Kerry in 2006 until Donaghy was "discovered" and a loose pass to let in Darren o Sullivan
They were unlucky not to pick up a second or third title in that period.
however on the Kernan point various people would suggest that Grimley was a strong force in that Regime- Be keen to hear samin10's views on the Kernan/Grimley point

Realistic contenders? Ya, in Ulster.

Had the upper hand on us in 06? Would you stop.

If we're to follow your line of thinking then Kerry realistically can tack on another 20 AIs to their haul.

clearly you follow a different sport to the one I watch
Armagh were a whisker away from an AI in 2003
May well have won in 2005 if they hadn't have had to play three games against tyrone 1 won drew 1 lost 1

In 2006 they were on top for 50 minutes until Donaghy plucked a ball from the sky and Darren O sullivan went through the centre like a dose of salts after an errant pass Kerry went on strong from there and fair play

I don't even think any of the above is a matter of opinion.
Your statement is that they were one season wonders
I disagree - Kerrys 20 nearlys are not relevant to that statement

OMAR wrote:clearly you follow a different sport to the one I watch
Armagh were a whisker away from an AI in 2003
May well have won in 2005 if they hadn't have had to play three games against tyrone 1 won drew 1 lost 1

In 2006 they were on top for 50 minutes until Donaghy plucked a ball from the sky and Darren O sullivan went through the centre like a dose of salts after an errant pass Kerry went on strong from there and fair play

I don't even think any of the above is a matter of opinion.
Your statement is that they were one season wonders
I disagree - Kerrys 20 nearlys are not relevant to that statement

No, your line of thinking is all "ifs" and "buts". If teams were serious contenders on "ifs" and "buts" then Kerry would have won every AI ever. As would any other team.

It doesn't matter a damn if Armagh were a "whisker" away, "may well have won" or "were on top", the fact of the matter is that they didn't win. Managers are judged on the results they acheived, given the resources available to them.

The nicest thing I can say about Joe Kernan is that he is/was an underacheiver at intercounty level. I'm sure some Armagh fans would agree with my line of thinking in that they should have won more AIs, but didn't.

Nearly never won a race. There are some people in Carlow who are too fond of moral victories, especially in football.

hurlingguru wrote:Nearly never won a race. There are some people in Carlow who are too fond of moral victories, especially in football.

Thank you hurlingguru.

Kernan is a nearly man at intercounty level imo. Despite winning one, he should have acheived much more. He inherited a good group of players (which led to him acheiving a lot at club level) but failed to capitalise on it. On the other hand for example, Mickey Harte inherited a good group of players, and acheived 3 AIs from it (so far).

3inarow08 wrote:

OMAR wrote:clearly you follow a different sport to the one I watch
Armagh were a whisker away from an AI in 2003
May well have won in 2005 if they hadn't have had to play three games against tyrone 1 won drew 1 lost 1

In 2006 they were on top for 50 minutes until Donaghy plucked a ball from the sky and Darren O sullivan went through the centre like a dose of salts after an errant pass Kerry went on strong from there and fair play

I don't even think any of the above is a matter of opinion.
Your statement is that they were one season wonders
I disagree - Kerrys 20 nearlys are not relevant to that statement

No, your line of thinking is all "ifs" and "buts". If teams were serious contenders on "ifs" and "buts" then Kerry would have won every AI ever. As would any other team.

It doesn't matter a damn if Armagh were a "whisker" away, "may well have won" or "were on top", the fact of the matter is that they didn't win. Managers are judged on the results they acheived, given the resources available to them.

The nicest thing I can say about Joe Kernan is that he is/was an underacheiver at intercounty level. I'm sure some Armagh fans would agree with my line of thinking in that they should have won more AIs, but didn't.

You are drifting from the facts - you said Armagh were a one season woneder - I disagreed -
Yes there are if buts and maybe's but I feel it is a diservice to suggest they are a one season wonder - flash in the pan etc.
They were a good team, IMO they brought a new dimension to the game - they perfected the diagonal from Geezer to Clarke/Stevie/clarke/Marsden I'm not disagreeing with the managerial flaws but for clarity I feel the team were good enough to be recalled in history and not just as the one hit wonders that you ascribe

3inarow08 wrote:Kernan should get the sack imo. He's been an absolute failure since taking over.

Proof if ever proof was required that Armagh are/were the Ray Cosgrave of intercounty football (a one season wonder).

A one season wonder? How did you come up with that?

2001 - Came close to eating Kerry
2002 - Won All Ireland and Ulster
2003 - Went all the way to the All Ireland final through Qualifiers - One of 2 teams thata managed two consecutive All Ireland final appearances in the 00's.
2004 - Beaten by Fermanagh in QF
2005 - League champions - Won Ulster then beaten by Tyrone in Semi's
2006 - Ulster champions but then beaten by Kerry

Also to add - First Ulster team since the 60's to do an Ulster 3 in a row.

Not bad for one season wonders

GAA-Fan wrote:

A one season wonder? How did you come up with that?

2001 - Came close to eating Kerry
2002 - Won All Ireland and Ulster
2003 - Went all the way to the All Ireland final through Qualifiers - One of 2 teams thata managed two consecutive All Ireland final appearances in the 00's.
2004 - Beaten by Fermanagh in QF
2005 - League champions - Won Ulster then beaten by Tyrone in Semi's
2006 - Ulster champions but then beaten by Kerry

Also to add - First Ulster team since the 60's to do an Ulster 3 in a row.

Not bad for one season wonders

I'm sorry, it must be the Kerry man coming out in me. Success at intercounty level is only judged on Celtic Crosses in my opinion. Not provincial titles and meaningless league victories. Coming close to teams doesn't wash down here either. As hurlingguru said above; "Nearly never won a race". Now you can come back and say that ye did great as ye'd never won it before, but the team Kernan had at his disposal and only one AI to show for it means that he failed in my opinion. Therefore the "one season wonder" remark.

If anything I'm paying Armagh a compliment.

3inarow08 wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:

A one season wonder? How did you come up with that?

2001 - Came close to eating Kerry
2002 - Won All Ireland and Ulster
2003 - Went all the way to the All Ireland final through Qualifiers - One of 2 teams thata managed two consecutive All Ireland final appearances in the 00's.
2004 - Beaten by Fermanagh in QF
2005 - League champions - Won Ulster then beaten by Tyrone in Semi's
2006 - Ulster champions but then beaten by Kerry

Also to add - First Ulster team since the 60's to do an Ulster 3 in a row.

Not bad for one season wonders

I'm sorry, it must be the Kerry man coming out in me. Success at intercounty level is only judged on Celtic Crosses in my opinion. Not provincial titles and meaningless league victories. Coming close to teams doesn't wash down here either. As hurlingguru said above; "Nearly never won a race". Now you can come back and say that ye did great as ye'd never won it before, but the team Kernan had at his disposal and only one AI to show for it means that he failed in my opinion. Therefore the "one season wonder" remark.

If anything I'm paying Armagh a compliment.

He never necessarily failed. After 100 years Armagh finally won it. Should have won more but didn't and I have said in a previous post why. You are making an unfair comparison 3inarow historically Armagh are not in the same league as Kerry. Kerry have 36 All Ireland titles to Armagh's one. If the backdoor never existed Armagh would have had more All Ireland's in the 00's. Also remember how many times over the last decade did Armagh have a second chance compared to Tyrone and Kerry.

Triona

By your logic- If celtic crosses are the only benchmark of success well then Maurice Fitz was a two season wonder rather than the best player of his era.

OMAR wrote:

3inarow08 wrote:Kernan should get the sack imo. He's been an absolute failure since taking over.

Proof if ever proof was required that Armagh are/were the Ray Cosgrave of intercounty football (a one season wonder).

Armagh were realistic contenders from 2001-2006
Won sam in 2002
Ran Tyrone close in 2003
Only team to come close to Tyrone in 2005
Had the upper hand against Kerry in 2006 until Donaghy was "discovered" and a loose pass to let in Darren o Sullivan
They were unlucky not to pick up a second or third title in that period.
however on the Kernan point various people would suggest that Grimley was a strong force in that Regime- Be keen to hear samin10's views on the Kernan/Grimley point

Cavan!! (The first game.... )