Time for change in Tyrone?

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can recall some very good games that Dublin have won and lost in recent years. Kildare last year was a good game and Kildare subsequently only lost by two points to Tyrone but lets forget about Leinster - its crap after all. In 2007 we beat a good enough Derry side (not from Leinster last time I checked) by 18 to 15 and lost to eventual winners Kerry by two points in the semi. In 2006 we lost by one point to Mayo in the semis in what was regarded as one of the best games of the decade. In 2005 we drew with Tyrone in a very good game before losing a replay - Tyrone went on to win Sam.

Dublin went in to both QFs over the last two years with many neutrals expecting them to win - it wa s not to be - spectacularly. But they had played ebnough good football up to that to be considered real contenders by a lot of good judges. Yes they blew it, bottled it or whatever on the day - but were not as bad a side as either scoreline suggests.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can recall some very good games that Dublin have won and lost in recent years. Kildare last year was a good game and Kildare subsequently only lost by two points to Tyrone but lets forget about Leinster - its crap after all. In 2007 we beat a good enough Derry side (not from Leinster last time I checked) by 18 to 15 and lost to eventual winners Kerry by two points in the semi. In 2006 we lost by one point to Mayo in the semis in what was regarded as one of the best games of the decade. In 2005 we drew with Tyrone in a very good game before losing a replay - Tyrone went on to win Sam.

Dublin went in to both QFs over the last two years with many neutrals expecting them to win - it was not to be - spectacularly. But they had played enough good football up to that to be considered real contenders by a lot of good judges. Yes they blew it, bottled it or whatever on the day - but were not as bad a side as either scoreline suggests.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can recall some very good games that Dublin have won and lost in recent years. Kildare last year was a good game and Kildare subsequently only lost by two points to Tyrone but lets forget about Leinster - its crap after all. In 2007 we beat a good enough Derry side (not from Leinster last time I checked) by 18 to 15 and lost to eventual winners Kerry by two points in the semi. In 2006 we lost by one point to Mayo in the semis in what was regarded as one of the best games of the decade. In 2005 we drew with Tyrone in a very good game before losing a replay - Tyrone went on to win Sam.

Dublin went in to both QFs over the last two years with many neutrals expecting them to win - it was not to be - spectacularly. But they had played enough good football up to that to be considered real contenders by a lot of good judges. Yes they blew it, bottled it or whatever on the day - but were not as bad a side as either scoreline suggests.

samin10 wrote:

Jayo Cluxton wrote:I can recall some very good games that Dublin have won and lost in recent years. Kildare last year was a good game and Kildare subsequently only lost by two points to Tyrone but lets forget about Leinster - its crap after all. In 2007 we beat a good enough Derry side (not from Leinster last time I checked) by 18 to 15 and lost to eventual winners Kerry by two points in the semi. In 2006 we lost by one point to Mayo in the semis in what was regarded as one of the best games of the decade. In 2005 we drew with Tyrone in a very good game before losing a replay - Tyrone went on to win Sam.

Dublin went in to both QFs over the last two years with many neutrals expecting them to win - it was not to be - spectacularly. But they had played enough good football up to that to be considered real contenders by a lot of good judges. Yes they blew it, bottled it or whatever on the day - but were not as bad a side as either scoreline suggests.

there is no doubting some of these were excellent games to watch and i personally think beating Kildare and Meath is good enough going as they are both pretty good teams. My point is their record against non leinster teams in the championship would not give me any confidence to say they are a match for anyone. The reality is Dublin buckled against Tyrone in 2005, buckled against Mayo in 2006, almost did it against Derry in 2007 (only for some fine saves by cluxton towards the end), and then were totally anhilated against Tyrone and kerry in 08 and 09.

Dublin are a decent side but they're in no better or worse a position than about 10 other teams of mounting a serious challenge against the top 2 or 3 teams

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Ok – hands up from a humbled Dublin fan.

Ye were unlucky to lose to Kerry in 2006 by eight points. In 2007 luck was not with you when Donegal knocked ye out of Ulster first game and then ye were beat in the Qualifier 1st round by Derry (a team that have won the League but done nothing else apparently). More bad luck in 2008 when the Ulster champions met the hurling county of Wexford (from lowly Leinster) and were beat by 5 points. In 2009 more bad luck and again only two Championship games before exit.

But feel free to slag Dublin from your lofty perch lads.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Ok – hands up from a humbled Dublin fan.

Ye were unlucky to lose to Kerry in 2006 by eight points. In 2007 luck was not with you when Donegal knocked ye out of Ulster first game and then ye were beat in the Qualifier 1st round by Derry (a team that have won the League but done nothing else apparently). More bad luck in 2008 when the Ulster champions met the hurling county of Wexford (from lowly Leinster) and were beat by 5 points. In 2009 more bad luck and again only two Championship games before exit.

But feel free to slag Dublin from your lofty perch lads.

Armaghgeddon wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but were you not the one that said Armagh were on the wane? How can they be on the wane when Armagh county football has hit rock bottom? .

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

Armaghgeddon wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but were you not the one that said Armagh were on the wane? How can they be on the wane when Armagh county football has hit rock bottom? .

ps If you want to talk about hammerings I amn't gonna talk about the 1977 final however much you try to rise me ....

samin10 wrote:what was the title of this thread again?

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

Armaghgeddon wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but were you not the one that said Armagh were on the wane? How can they be on the wane when Armagh county football has hit rock bottom? .

ps If you want to talk about hammerings I amn't gonna talk about the 1977 final however much you try to rise me ....

patrique wrote:I expect Armagh to go into one of their 55 year slumps before emerging refreshed.

bocerty wrote:some grumpy Armagh men on here - no offence lads but Armagh are a pale shadow of their former selves.

bocerty wrote:some grumpy Armagh men on here - no offence lads but Armagh are a pale shadow of their former selves and i'd agree with P - it could be a long slump before another 'team' rises from the ashes.

You have the individuals but you dont have a team!!!

And to suggest Down have peaked is absolute bullshit - they drew with Tipperary a few weeks back and with all due respect Tipp arent exactly a team you draw with if you've peaked.