TV or not TV - that is the question!

Well Mickey Harte has set the cat among the pigeons by suggesting that Tyrone are considering banning TV cameras from their home League games! I can see where he is coming from to a degree but are there not contracts signed with TV service providers to cover certain games - so where would this leave that contract? Have Tyrone the right to do this? Who 'owns' Healy Park for example? There is no doubt that the likes of the Division 1 teams are more likely to suffer from post match trial by video due to the coverage they get.

It is also possibly putting referees under severe pressure. Who would have thought that the best ref in the business decided he got so many red card decisions wrong. Listening to the Uachtaran it seems like the GAA ain't backing down so this one will be worth watching.

I think Harte is letting himself down with comments like this. He should take it on the chin and improve discipline in the players, I know he is calling for consistency more than anything else but if Mickey Lyng takes a swipe at someone in Divison 3 and gets away with it, it still doesn't mean that Joe McMahon doing the same in Divison 1 must also get away with it in the interests of fairness.

He acts like a spoilt brat at times and comments like this only make him and his county look bad. If the Tyrone Co Coard agree to this laughable demand then they really are the Mickey Harte County Board!

I have alot of respect for Harte, and what he has done and continues to do with Tyrone. But it's comments like these, as BE has pointed out, that makes him seem like a spoilt brat. I think it's madness he wants TV cameras banned. What about the away team? Would they get any say? Harte has no authority over Healy Park. The county board make decisions like this, and I doubt they would say yes to a pointless proposal like this.

He is getting really annoying now. He is like an old man who would complain about his wheeliebin being moved a few inches. Just shut up Mickey and get on with it.

GAA-Fan wrote:He is like an old man who would complain about his wheeliebin being moved a few inches.

I have to say I hate people moving my wheelie bin ......

Mickey is getting more like Ferguson every day IMO ....

Money rules the roost in the GAA, and there's no way the sponsors will let Tyrone dictate to them when they are paying good money to cover the competition!

he's dead right on this one,the GAA are consistently inconsistent.hopefully other teams will follow suit until all games are recorded.there is no reason that it cant be done.

i say fair play to him and I think he has a very valid point and if anyone on here doesn't realise how much sway Mickey has with the County Board then they are only kidding themselves.

If we aren't going to re-analyse every game via video then dont do it at all - if a ref misses an incident during a game then thats tough if you ask me.

It is interesting to see though that Harte is being called all sorts of names on here for trying to defend his players in the wake of trial by video and yet Paul Galvin can do what he wants on a football field (and of it too come to think of it) and everyone here calls him the victim. A touch of double standards i dare say .................

Boc - you'd want to let go of the Galvin thing really. I appreciate where Harte is coming from and he had a point. But he has put his spake in on a lot of things lately and it isn't helping him.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:Boc - you'd want to let go of the Galvin thing really. I appreciate where Harte is coming from and he had a point. But he has put his spake in on a lot of things lately and it isn't helping him.

Jayo you've just proved my point........................ Galvin appears to be untouchable as far as many of you are concerned especially yourself. Its his reputation going before him and he's only being picked on because of who he is. Well i ask you were did this reputation come from?????

It was interesting in the week that 3 Tyrone and 1 Derry player were banned retrospectively for incidents during a game, there was another incident between Galvin and a referee and yet he hasn't even been mentioned. No one on here saw fit to mention it and yet it was every bit as serious as the incidents that ended up with the 4 red cards handed out to Tyrone and Derry.

The Kerry Cork game was full of incidents that were every bit as bad as Tyrone Derry and yet not one person has mentioned those either, Kieran Donaghy threw at least one punch during the game in full view of the referee and what did he get - a yellow card!!!!!!

We are not saying the Tyrone boys or Bradley didnt deserve the red cards bit if its not going to apply right across the board then don't bother singling players or counties out. All we are after is a bit of equality and everyone being subjected to the same rules.

bocerty wrote:
Jayo you've just proved my point........................ Galvin appears to be untouchable as far as many of you are concerned especially yourself. Its his reputation going before him and he's only being picked on because of who he is. Well i ask you were did this reputation come from?????

Boc that is rubbish. I have never defended anyone for foul or dirty play and I have roundly criticised Galvin for some of his actions in the past. He is a brilliant footballer but has an edge to him that can be nasty at times.

I do however feel that the intrusion into his private life is completely wrong and stand by that. I would feel the same whether he was a Dublin, Tyrone or any other county player.

You have continually railed against the guy and continue to do so. I think Galvin has more than paid for his past crimes to be honest.

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

bocerty wrote:
Jayo you've just proved my point........................ Galvin appears to be untouchable as far as many of you are concerned especially yourself. Its his reputation going before him and he's only being picked on because of who he is. Well i ask you were did this reputation come from?????

Boc that is rubbish. I have never defended anyone for foul or dirty play and I have roundly criticised Galvin for some of his actions in the past. He is a brilliant footballer but has an edge to him that can be nasty at times.

I do however feel that the intrusion into his private life is completely wrong and stand by that. I would feel the same whether he was a Dublin, Tyrone or any other county player.

You have continually railed against the guy and continue to do so. I think Galvin has more than paid for his past crimes to be honest.

i dont think it is rubbish JC - he may have paid for his past crimes but he is still committing fresh 'crimes' and getting away with them.

Do you not think the incident in the Kerry V Dublin with the ref warranted some form of retrospective action anymore than those in the Tyrone Derry game????????

bocerty wrote:i dont think it is rubbish JC - he may have paid for his past crimes but he is still committing fresh 'crimes' and getting away with them.

Do you not think the incident in the Kerry V Dublin with the ref warranted some form of retrospective action anymore than those in the Tyrone Derry game????????

I honestly have not seen this. I believe he has more than paid for his crimes in the past but if there are new offences they should also be dealt with accordingly.

Well a system like they have in Aussie rules or Rugby is long overdue in Inter-county GAA, players should be reported and cited after a game for something that the referee has missed.

I personally feel that the 4 players in the Derry Tyrone game deserved their ban and i have no complaints about the ban given to Eoin Bradley, retrospectively or whatever, he acted the tool and deserved to be sent off, as did the other offenders, in my opinion!

It's just a pity that whenever something goes against Tyrone and the Mickey Harte County Board, they go throwing their roys out of the pram and stamping their feet! It was effective at the start, but now it's just embarrassing and boring!

Get over it and get on with it!

i think that MH has a valid point . had this beenaone off thing fair enough but this is the second or third season in a row tyrone have been singled out for "special attention" from the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC.

the team hasnt been producing the goods either over the last few weeks and i personally think that MH is tryin the old everyone's agianst us routine to put a siege mentality into his squad to try and up performances as much as to point out the unbalanced nature of GAA committees.

i also believe that if you do the crime well you must do the time, but when some incidents are overlooked you cant help but feel aggrived.

You seem a bit mixed on it RHM, i think what most people want is the same as what you are alluding to, a consistant review process run by an independant body.

If we had a Games Review Panel formed whose job it would be to look into incidents that occur during games, that the referees miss or not, then it would take away the "them against us" attitute, the cynical, off the ball incidents that some teams get up to during games (remember Derry/Monaghan last year?).

For this to work the endless redtape surrounding appeals, counter appeals, counter counter appeals would have to be sorted out and cleared up.

The problem with this is, is that they are obviously getting caught doing things [I dont know, havent seen Tyrone play this year]. Tyrone possibly are being singled out more than other counties. However, if an off the ball incident happened that the referee or the linesman did not pick up on I would bet £20 that Mickey Harte would be complaining about the CCC not doing anything to discipline that player.

There is only one way to solve this, and that is to bring in reply footage there and then. If the referee misses it then a manager should be allowed to challenge the referee [lets say 5 challenges a game] and then the referee should look at the footage and decide a punishment.

GAA is a huge organisation and I cant believe that simple little matters like this have not been resovled. Even when games are played at Croke Park, they never do this, even when there is a huge 40ft screen in the corner.

ach i dunno if you brought in contests or timeouts how do you restart the game not like american football where one team is attacking and the other doesnt try to score just defend our game i think is a bit too fluid for that sorta craic .

it doesnt really matter i suppose because it menas that there would be something else to complain about , the ref wasnt alerted to my call say a team on the attack a cynical manager may call for a contest due to an incorrexct fist pass or too many steps just to get men back behind the ball? even when they know its totally legit. there will always be something to grate supporters managers players and boards

The real issue here is consistency and justice for all. As it currently stands both are missing. I don't think you can use video evidence in certain instances and then not have video evidence available at other games.

Maybe a short term solution would be that all teams were guaranteed the exact same amount of coverage for the campaign eg 3 games. No doubt all would be on their best behaviour for these games!

bald eagle wrote:Well a system like they have in Aussie rules or Rugby is long overdue in Inter-county GAA, players should be reported and cited after a game for something that the referee has missed.

I personally feel that the 4 players in the Derry Tyrone game deserved their ban and i have no complaints about the ban given to Eoin Bradley, retrospectively or whatever, he acted the tool and deserved to be sent off, as did the other offenders, in my opinion!

It's just a pity that whenever something goes against Tyrone and the Mickey Harte County Board, they go throwing their roys out of the pram and stamping their feet! It was effective at the start, but now it's just embarrassing and boring!

Get over it and get on with it!

I agree totally with this.

bald eagle wrote:Well a system like they have in Aussie rules or Rugby is long overdue in Inter-county GAA, players should be reported and cited after a game for something that the referee has missed.

whilst there is mileage in what you say BE the problem i have is that in the case of the Tyrone Derry game Pat did not miss the incidents (except the Penrose one - i still dont know what he done) all 3 were issued with yellows as far as i know during the game.

The other issue i have as i said before if we are going to have retrospective bans for players then what the refs themselves. Is anyone going to ban/punish a ref for having a poor game in light of video evidence?????????????

bocerty wrote:

bald eagle wrote:Well a system like they have in Aussie rules or Rugby is long overdue in Inter-county GAA, players should be reported and cited after a game for something that the referee has missed.

whilst there is mileage in what you say BE the problem i have is that in the case of the Tyrone Derry game Pat did not miss the incidents (except the Penrose one - i still dont know what he done) all 3 were issued with yellows as far as i know during the game.

The other issue i have as i said before if we are going to have retrospective bans for players then what the refs themselves. Is anyone going to ban/punish a ref for having a poor game in light of video evidence?????????????

I've said in a later post that there should be punishment for what the referee has missed or not, meaning that if a retrospective upgrade is required then so be it!

Referees should be punished for not getting match changing decisions correct and not for having a bad game, how many players have bad games every week and they are not banned or punished? Ridiculous statement!

bald eagle wrote:

bocerty wrote:

bald eagle wrote:Well a system like they have in Aussie rules or Rugby is long overdue in Inter-county GAA, players should be reported and cited after a game for something that the referee has missed.

whilst there is mileage in what you say BE the problem i have is that in the case of the Tyrone Derry game Pat did not miss the incidents (except the Penrose one - i still dont know what he done) all 3 were issued with yellows as far as i know during the game.

The other issue i have as i said before if we are going to have retrospective bans for players then what the refs themselves. Is anyone going to ban/punish a ref for having a poor game in light of video evidence?????????????

I've said in a later post that there should be punishment for what the referee has missed or not, meaning that if a retrospective upgrade is required then so be it!

Referees should be punished for not getting match changing decisions correct and not for having a bad game, how many players have bad games every week and they are not banned or punished? Ridiculous statement!

your being pedantic there BE - FFS surely getting match changing decisions wrong is the same as having a bad game

So if a ref makes 1 match changing balls up in a game, he's had a bad game in your view?