Experimental Football rules

What's the opinions after the first weekend? From what I've heard the mark didn't occur enough for people to make too much comment on it and the penalty kicks seem easier. The fist pass seems to be the one causing the controversy with loads of frees being blown for it and an apparent lack of consistency in application.

1. Fist Pass:

Proposal: Eliminate the “open handed” pass and return to fist pass only.

Rationale: It is accepted that the hand pass is being widely abused and is, consequently, impossible to implement on a consistent basis.

2. Catch from Kick-out:

Proposal: A free- kick to be awarded to a player making a catch between the 45 m lines directly from a kick-out. The free-kick is to be taken by the player who makes the catch unless he is injured prior to the free-kick being taken.

Rationale: It was felt that “high-fielding”, once one of the most highly acclaimed skills in the game, needs to be acknowledged and rewarded.

3. Bounce:

Proposal: The bounce in Football to be re-defined as: “For a player to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s)”.

Rationale: It is considered by the committee that the current definition viz “For a player to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and back to his hand(s) again” has led to considerable ambiguity and inconsistencies in referee interpretation.

4. Penalty Kick

Proposal: The penalty should be taken from a spot which is located 11m. from the centre of the goal line.

Rationale: It was accepted that a disparity has developed between penalties in hurling and football; statistical evidence suggests that the relatively modest return from penalties in football leads to the conclusion that it pays to foul. It is considered that a penalty kick from the centre of the 13m line does not carry a sufficient level of deterrent, and is not the advantage to the attacking team that such should be.

5. Kick-out

Proposal: All kick-out to be taken from the 13m line, within the small rectangle.

Rationale: It was noted that there is considerable time delay at kick-outs and that “short” kick-outs following wides can be unsightly, and occasionally controversial. It was further considered that this may encourage “high fielding”, mentioned earlier in the proposal with regard to the introduction of the free-kick for the catch from a kick-out.

1. Fist pass.

Absolute disaster. Game I was at was start stop. Broke up some great moves by both teams. In the 2nd half referee started to let a lot of the illegitamate handpasses go as the crowd and players were getting frustrated. Stupid rule and only slowed game down. And anyone saying that particular counties take advantage of the open hand pass( throwing the ball on occasions ) is being ridiculous.

2. Mark

Three marks in the Leitrim game. 2 by the wing forward and wing back, the two smallest players on the pitch as they were un contested. One by the GMIT midfielder. Again slowed game down. When players caught ball, they proceded to attack however the ref blew for a mark and they brought the ball back to take a free? I'm not sure what the rule is on this. Does the ref have to call a mark or is it down to the player whether they carry on or not.?

There were no penalties in the game but think it's a good change and hope it's implemented.

johnnos bulls wrote:1. Fist pass.

Absolute disaster. Game I was at was start stop. Broke up some great moves by both teams. In the 2nd half referee started to let a lot of the illegitamate handpasses go as the crowd and players were getting frustrated. Stupid rule and only slowed game down. And anyone saying that particular counties take advantage of the open hand pass( throwing the ball on occasions ) is being ridiculous.

2. Mark

Three marks in the Leitrim game. 2 by the wing forward and wing back, the two smallest players on the pitch as they were un contested. One by the GMIT midfielder. Again slowed game down. When players caught ball, they proceded to attack however the ref blew for a mark and they brought the ball back to take a free? I'm not sure what the rule is on this. Does the ref have to call a mark or is it down to the player whether they carry on or not.?

There were no penalties in the game but think it's a good change and hope it's implemented.

AFAIK it's down to the ref to call it. Which means that the player has to keep playing either way.

RMDrive wrote:

johnnos bulls wrote:1. Fist pass.

Absolute disaster. Game I was at was start stop. Broke up some great moves by both teams. In the 2nd half referee started to let a lot of the illegitamate handpasses go as the crowd and players were getting frustrated. Stupid rule and only slowed game down. And anyone saying that particular counties take advantage of the open hand pass( throwing the ball on occasions ) is being ridiculous.

2. Mark

Three marks in the Leitrim game. 2 by the wing forward and wing back, the two smallest players on the pitch as they were un contested. One by the GMIT midfielder. Again slowed game down. When players caught ball, they proceded to attack however the ref blew for a mark and they brought the ball back to take a free? I'm not sure what the rule is on this. Does the ref have to call a mark or is it down to the player whether they carry on or not.?

There were no penalties in the game but think it's a good change and hope it's implemented.

AFAIK it's down to the ref to call it. Which means that the player has to keep playing either way.

The ref acknowledges the mark took place it is up to the player to stop and take it or play on

JimWexford wrote:

RMDrive wrote:

johnnos bulls wrote:1. Fist pass.

Absolute disaster. Game I was at was start stop. Broke up some great moves by both teams. In the 2nd half referee started to let a lot of the illegitamate handpasses go as the crowd and players were getting frustrated. Stupid rule and only slowed game down. And anyone saying that particular counties take advantage of the open hand pass( throwing the ball on occasions ) is being ridiculous.

2. Mark

Three marks in the Leitrim game. 2 by the wing forward and wing back, the two smallest players on the pitch as they were un contested. One by the GMIT midfielder. Again slowed game down. When players caught ball, they proceded to attack however the ref blew for a mark and they brought the ball back to take a free? I'm not sure what the rule is on this. Does the ref have to call a mark or is it down to the player whether they carry on or not.?

There were no penalties in the game but think it's a good change and hope it's implemented.

AFAIK it's down to the ref to call it. Which means that the player has to keep playing either way.

The ref acknowledges the mark took place it is up to the player to stop and take it or play on

Does he blow the whistle?

1. Fist Pass:

Proposal: Eliminate the “open handed” pass and return to fist pass only.

Rationale: It is accepted that the hand pass is being widely abused and is, consequently, impossible to implement on a consistent basis.

most teams 99% of them abuse this rule
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent’s
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.

did a colleges match (senior 2nd level one) and the amount abuse of the handpass is cronic. Most of the time they are throwing it, half of them don't have a clue what a definite striking action is. for peace and let the game flow you let it of, greater good still not convinced but it is the lesser or two evils (not continuously blowing it up)

RMDrive wrote:

JimWexford wrote:

RMDrive wrote:

johnnos bulls wrote:1. Fist pass.

Absolute disaster. Game I was at was start stop. Broke up some great moves by both teams. In the 2nd half referee started to let a lot of the illegitamate handpasses go as the crowd and players were getting frustrated. Stupid rule and only slowed game down. And anyone saying that particular counties take advantage of the open hand pass( throwing the ball on occasions ) is being ridiculous.

2. Mark

Three marks in the Leitrim game. 2 by the wing forward and wing back, the two smallest players on the pitch as they were un contested. One by the GMIT midfielder. Again slowed game down. When players caught ball, they proceded to attack however the ref blew for a mark and they brought the ball back to take a free? I'm not sure what the rule is on this. Does the ref have to call a mark or is it down to the player whether they carry on or not.?

There were no penalties in the game but think it's a good change and hope it's implemented.

AFAIK it's down to the ref to call it. Which means that the player has to keep playing either way.

The ref acknowledges the mark took place it is up to the player to stop and take it or play on

Does he blow the whistle?

Yes the blowing of the Whistle (sorry L2TR only talking about football, ye still play CAD in Meath) acknowledges the mark much the same as in Aussie rules.

They were charging £9 in to watch McKenna cup games a joke or what, they wont have too many at the remainder of the games at this rate.

Handpass rule in hurling is also abused with a majority being throws.

JimWexford wrote:1. Fist Pass:

Proposal: Eliminate the “open handed” pass and return to fist pass only.

Rationale: It is accepted that the hand pass is being widely abused and is, consequently, impossible to implement on a consistent basis.

most teams 99% of them abuse this rule
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent’s
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.

did a colleges match (senior 2nd level one) and the amount abuse of the handpass is cronic. Most of the time they are throwing it, half of them don't have a clue what a definite striking action is. for peace and let the game flow you let it of, greater good still not convinced but it is the lesser or two evils (not continuously blowing it up)

Yeah handpass has evolved into a sort of semi-throw where both hands contribute equally to the movement of the ball. When Donegal played Carlow last year the ref blew for it a few times in the first half but then let exactly the same passes go in the second half. It's going to be a tough one to change.

I think the new rule lacks a bit of clarity though. "A definite striking action" is surely open to interpretation.

RMDrive wrote:

JimWexford wrote:1. Fist Pass:

Proposal: Eliminate the “open handed” pass and return to fist pass only.

Rationale: It is accepted that the hand pass is being widely abused and is, consequently, impossible to implement on a consistent basis.

most teams 99% of them abuse this rule
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent’s
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.

did a colleges match (senior 2nd level one) and the amount abuse of the handpass is cronic. Most of the time they are throwing it, half of them don't have a clue what a definite striking action is. for peace and let the game flow you let it of, greater good still not convinced but it is the lesser or two evils (not continuously blowing it up)

Yeah handpass has evolved into a sort of semi-throw where both hands contribute equally to the movement of the ball. When Donegal played Carlow last year the ref blew for it a few times in the first half but then let exactly the same passes go in the second half. It's going to be a tough one to change.

I think the new rule lacks a bit of clarity though. "A definite striking action" is surely open to interpretation.

That is not the new rule that is the rule as it stands. That is the rule all clubs and intercounty championship games will be reffed to.

RMDrive wrote:

JimWexford wrote:1. Fist Pass:

Proposal: Eliminate the “open handed” pass and return to fist pass only.

Rationale: It is accepted that the hand pass is being widely abused and is, consequently, impossible to implement on a consistent basis.

most teams 99% of them abuse this rule
1.4 When a player is in possession of the ball, it
may be:-
(a) carried for a maximum of four consecutive
steps or held in the hand(s) for no longer
than the time needed to take four steps;
(b) played from the foot to the hand(s) -toetapped;
(c) bounced once, and once after each toetap;
(d) changed from one hand to the other once,
with the original holding hand maintaining
contact until the change is completed;
(e) struck with the open hand(s) or fist,
provided there is a definite striking action;
(f) tossed for a kick, a toe-tap or a pass with
the hand(s).
The ball may be knocked from an opponent’s
hand(s) by flicking it with the open hand.
1.5 When the ball has not been caught, it may be
bounced more than once in succession.

did a colleges match (senior 2nd level one) and the amount abuse of the handpass is cronic. Most of the time they are throwing it, half of them don't have a clue what a definite striking action is. for peace and let the game flow you let it of, greater good still not convinced but it is the lesser or two evils (not continuously blowing it up)

Yeah handpass has evolved into a sort of semi-throw where both hands contribute equally to the movement of the ball. When Donegal played Carlow last year the ref blew for it a few times in the first half but then let exactly the same passes go in the second half. It's going to be a tough one to change.

I think the new rule lacks a bit of clarity though. "A definite striking action" is surely open to interpretation.

Would you not agree though that the lack of clarity has probably helped us to end up in the position where it's unclear what a proper hand pass is?

would agree 100%. The term itself allows for the ball to be hit anyway once there is a sticking action that means open hand, back hand, scoop etc allows for total abuse of the rule.
The GAA player/supporter/manager/mentor is now a modern open minded individual -what I mean is he has so much more access to other games, information, "ways and means" etc that the rules need to be clarified a lot better than they are.
This is the reason why the rule book over the last 10-15 years is been continously updated compared to every 5 years prior to that.

RMDrive wrote:What's the opinions after the first weekend? From what I've heard the mark didn't occur enough for people to make too much comment on it and the penalty kicks seem easier. The fist pass seems to be the one causing the controversy with loads of frees being blown for it and an apparent lack of consistency in application.

1. Fist Pass:

Proposal: Eliminate the “open handed” pass and return to fist pass only.

Rationale: It is accepted that the hand pass is being widely abused and is, consequently, impossible to implement on a consistent basis.

2. Catch from Kick-out:

Proposal: A free- kick to be awarded to a player making a catch between the 45 m lines directly from a kick-out. The free-kick is to be taken by the player who makes the catch unless he is injured prior to the free-kick being taken.

Rationale: It was felt that “high-fielding”, once one of the most highly acclaimed skills in the game, needs to be acknowledged and rewarded.

3. Bounce:

Proposal: The bounce in Football to be re-defined as: “For a player to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s)”.

Rationale: It is considered by the committee that the current definition viz “For a player to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and back to his hand(s) again” has led to considerable ambiguity and inconsistencies in referee interpretation.

4. Penalty Kick

Proposal: The penalty should be taken from a spot which is located 11m. from the centre of the goal line.

Rationale: It was accepted that a disparity has developed between penalties in hurling and football; statistical evidence suggests that the relatively modest return from penalties in football leads to the conclusion that it pays to foul. It is considered that a penalty kick from the centre of the 13m line does not carry a sufficient level of deterrent, and is not the advantage to the attacking team that such should be.

5. Kick-out

Proposal: All kick-out to be taken from the 13m line, within the small rectangle.

Rationale: It was noted that there is considerable time delay at kick-outs and that “short” kick-outs following wides can be unsightly, and occasionally controversial. It was further considered that this may encourage “high fielding”, mentioned earlier in the proposal with regard to the introduction of the free-kick for the catch from a kick-out.

as a keeper 2, 4 and 5 will be a disaster esp 5 how can the 13m line be in the small rectangle as its the 6yard box?! 4 the pennos being moved in may actually make them easier to save due to the narrowing of the angle ?

also rmd what about the throw ins can no longer be any closer than 13m from the sideline and players cannot leave the boundaries and enter again if its advantageous to them. it sound more like rugby union every week!

JimWexford wrote:would agree 100%. The term itself allows for the ball to be hit anyway once there is a sticking action that means open hand, back hand, scoop etc allows for total abuse of the rule.
The GAA player/supporter/manager/mentor is now a modern open minded individual -what I mean is he has so much more access to other games, information, "ways and means" etc that the rules need to be clarified a lot better than they are.
This is the reason why the rule book over the last 10-15 years is been continously updated compared to every 5 years prior to that.

and here was me thinking it was being changed year after year to stop us Nordies winning

bocerty wrote:
and here was me thinking it was being changed year after year to stop us Nordies winning

I think they only made the first ever change after the 2003 Final.

bocerty wrote:

JimWexford wrote:would agree 100%. The term itself allows for the ball to be hit anyway once there is a sticking action that means open hand, back hand, scoop etc allows for total abuse of the rule.
The GAA player/supporter/manager/mentor is now a modern open minded individual -what I mean is he has so much more access to other games, information, "ways and means" etc that the rules need to be clarified a lot better than they are.
This is the reason why the rule book over the last 10-15 years is been continously updated compared to every 5 years prior to that.

and here was me thinking it was being changed year after year to stop us Nordies winning

Did I not explain to you that these new rules that are being brought in to stop Kerry? We won 5 times the decade gone, not to mind contesting nearly every final, hence the GAA bring in these new rules. Whereas Ulster had a more successful decade in the 90s rather than the 00s, and were there as many rule changes? Nope. The GAA is biased towards Ulster and against Kerry. Yet in the face of adversity, we shall overcome. We have before and we will again. Amen.

3inarow08 wrote:

bocerty wrote:

JimWexford wrote:would agree 100%. The term itself allows for the ball to be hit anyway once there is a sticking action that means open hand, back hand, scoop etc allows for total abuse of the rule.
The GAA player/supporter/manager/mentor is now a modern open minded individual -what I mean is he has so much more access to other games, information, "ways and means" etc that the rules need to be clarified a lot better than they are.
This is the reason why the rule book over the last 10-15 years is been continously updated compared to every 5 years prior to that.

and here was me thinking it was being changed year after year to stop us Nordies winning

Did I not explain to you that these new rules that are being brought in to stop Kerry? We won 5 times the decade gone, not to mind contesting nearly every final, hence the GAA bring in these new rules. Whereas Ulster had a more successful decade in the 90s rather than the 00s, and were there as many rule changes? Nope. The GAA is biased towards Ulster and against Kerry. Yet in the face of adversity, we shall overcome. We have before and we will again. Amen.

Perhaps Kerry will move into the Ulster Championship in the same way Galway moved to the Leinster championship in hurling

Jayo Cluxton wrote:

bocerty wrote:
and here was me thinking it was being changed year after year to stop us Nordies winning

I think they only made the first ever change after the 2003 Final.

no that was the year Tyrone actually read the rule book and look it worked

redhand

Of all the rule changes the one that worries me the most (as a fellow net-minder) is the change to the square ball rule. Players can now enter the square once the ball is played, meaning that it will become easier for big lumps of full-forwards (or midfielders if a free is being lofted in) to line you up and try to plough you into the net before the ball gets there. The whole point of the quare ball rule was not to prevent "goal-hanging" but to protect keepers when catching high balls from a standing position. When jumping from a standing position you are exposed enough to big hits, and this rule change just makes it more dangerous.

And all that ignores the fact that you can jump higher with a running start than a standing start, meaning that forwards now have a dicernable advantage for any balls dropping in the small square

here her B&W goalie and accountant or you my southern altar ego?!

redhandman wrote:here her B&W goalie and accountant or you my southern altar ego?!

Sounding more and more like it!

Perhaps Bocerty. Might introduce a bit of much needed competition to the Ulster championship. Tell me, is it Tyrones or Armaghs turn to win again this year?

And before you mention Munster, I can't remember the last time we were competing in the final it was that long ago. At least we'd have a chance of winning Ulster, not a hope of us beating Cork in early Summer.

3inarow08 wrote:Perhaps Bocerty. Might introduce a bit of much needed competition to the Ulster championship. Tell me, is it Tyrones or Armaghs turn to win again this year?

And before you mention Munster, I can't remember the last time we were competing in the final it was that long ago. At least we'd have a chance of winning Ulster, not a hope of us beating Cork in early Summer.

it was 2007, you probably cant remember because its a worthless trophy.

sorry, that was the last time kerry won munster. 2008 was the last final, maybe you just prefer to forget all 2008 finals