Republican Prisoners on Dirty Protest

Republican prisoners in Maghaberry jail roe house are trying to get the political status that was agreed in an agreement last year with the dept of justice, prisoner service and republican representatives.

These men now face 24 hour a day lock up, they have nothing but a matress, excrement smeared on the walls, regular beatings by riot squads and no visits or phone calls.

Today the republican network for unity has taken over the office of david ford asking for the agreement to be implemented, this status is afforded to republican prisoners in the south of ireland and should be in all of ireland.

North Side Gael wrote:Republican prisoners in Maghaberry jail roe house are trying to get the political status that was agreed in an agreement last year with the dept of justice, prisoner service and republican representatives.

These men now face 24 hour a day lock up, they have nothing but a matress, excrement smeared on the walls, regular beatings by riot squads and no visits or phone calls.

Today the republican network for unity has taken over the office of david ford asking for the agreement to be implemented, this status is afforded to republican prisoners in the south of ireland and should be in all of ireland.

Sorry for being inquisitive, but why are these people in prison, how often do these regular beatings take place?

dhorse wrote:

North Side Gael wrote:Republican prisoners in Maghaberry jail roe house are trying to get the political status that was agreed in an agreement last year with the dept of justice, prisoner service and republican representatives.

These men now face 24 hour a day lock up, they have nothing but a matress, excrement smeared on the walls, regular beatings by riot squads and no visits or phone calls.

Today the republican network for unity has taken over the office of david ford asking for the agreement to be implemented, this status is afforded to republican prisoners in the south of ireland and should be in all of ireland.

Sorry for being inquisitive, but why are these people in prison, how often do these regular beatings take place?

The beatings take place daily, most have political convictions and as such are on a political part of the prison, some have been in for nearly two years without ever seeing a court room, justice british style - guilty until proven innocent!

What specifically have they done or accused of having done NSG?

After all I'd like to hear both sides of the story before I go condemning their daily beatings.. Don't want to just be a sheep and believe that their imprisonment is wrong because you say so....

Wasn't exactly sure what a dirt protest was... They must be fair desperate.

The beatings take place daily, most have political convictions and as such are on a political part of the prison, some have been in for nearly two years without ever seeing a court room, justice british style - guilty until proven innocent!.

Sounds serious.

What are political convictions as opposed to criminal convictions? Does somebody represent them in court when they are not present?

How come SF ,as the main nationalist party, are not highlighting this. They are usually on the ball when it comes to issues like this

dhorse wrote: How come SF ,as the main nationalist party, are not highlighting this. They are usually on the ball when it comes to issues like this

Not anymore Dhorse, it appears that they are too busy watching SKY News and, as a result, have turned into British Conservatives.

dhorse wrote:The beatings take place daily, most have political convictions and as such are on a political part of the prison, some have been in for nearly two years without ever seeing a court room, justice british style - guilty until proven innocent!.

Sounds serious.

What are political convictions as opposed to criminal convictions? Does somebody represent them in court when they are not present?

How come SF ,as the main nationalist party, are not highlighting this. They are usually on the ball when it comes to issues like this

They have been involved in punishment/community beatings or are involved with holding material or information of use to "terrorists" (term used in British law). The ones who have no convictions simply havent seen a judge and lawyers cant get them to court as they refuse to be strip and body searched which means the judge wont see the case and the prisoner gets a beating instead.

SF are more interested in trying to slander the political groups such as RNU and Eirigi using local community papers which they control, and these papers refuse to print letters responding from these groups they also edit any interviews with them to try and criminalise the individual who is being interviewed. Generally the stormont executive is making spending cuts while they spend a fortune ensuring the censorship and criminalising of republican activists.

Ah TC trying to ruin another thread good man yourself, no proper engagement in debate, you are the right wee sheep arent you.

Royal_Girl2k9 wrote:Wasn't exactly sure what a dirt protest was... They must be fair desperate.

RG, this is based around gaining the political status that is afforded to them in portlaoise as it stands they are living in individual cells, with a matress and excrement all over the walls while pouring their urine under the door, the idea is that it makes running the prison a nightmare for the prison service, it is a battle of wills as the prison service has now set out to break the will of these men through isolation and beatings.

"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people" Bobby Sands

This will be the mind set of these men.

They have been involved in punishment/community beatings,

It's a bit odd that people that are involved in beating people up , I assume there are no trials with lawyers, witnesses, right of appeal etc involved, are complaining about the lack of justice for themselves as a result of similar activity, or do they consider themselves above other members of society? whatever happened the basic tenets of republicanism.

[quote="Royal_Girl2k9"]Wasn't exactly sure what a dirt protest was... They must be fair desperate.

They could very well be. But that in itself or their fervent belief in any cause is hardly justification for setting themselves up as being in any way above the rest of us when it comes to deciding in what political system or laws we live with.

It would be fair to assume that most people in prison are desperate.

dhorse wrote:They have been involved in punishment/community beatings,

It's a bit odd that people that are involved in beating people up , I assume there are no trials with lawyers, witnesses, right of appeal etc involved, are complaining about the lack of justice for themselves as a result of similar activity, or do they consider themselves above other members of society? whatever happened the basic tenets of republicanism.

Punnishment or community beatings orginated from other countries but existed in our country through the fenians and michael collins time.

A recent research report from univeristy of ulster said support was growing for these type of beatings of course they are not the answer but it does mean that people are losing what little faith there ever was in the PSNI.

As for the political prisoner compared to ordinairy prisoners your talking to RG about, they are political prisoners whether you like it or lump it, they have political motives for being where they are, this is recognised across the world and even in portlaoise jail. They be believe they should be treated like political prisoners and not just ordinairy prisoners, which is a fair request as is shown by the fact the the UN Red Cross are now in meetings in the north of ireland, a group who ownly exist where conflict exists, the men who went to meet them coming off the plane where stopped at a road side for 3 hours, leaving the red cross stranded, i dont wonder why, the british dont want the world to know that conflict still exists in the north of ireland.

Punnishment or community beatings orginated from other countries but existed in our country through the fenians and michael collins time.
A recent research report from univeristy of ulster said support was growing for these type of beatings of course they are not the answer but it does mean that people are losing what little faith there ever was in the PSNI.







Indeed. However if we use past behaviour to justify actions then wifebeating, slavery burning people because some priest reckoned they were posessed by a devil etc etc.



As for people not having faith in the PSNI, i doubt very much if they want The garda Siochana very much either,, they just want control end of story.



Do you not envisage a time when this type of carry on might become unacceptable.





























As for the political prisoner compared to ordinairy prisoners your talking to RG about, they are political prisoners whether you like it or lump it, they have political motives for being where they are, this is recognised across the world and even in portlaoise jail. They be believe they should be treated like political prisoners and not just ordinairy prisoners, which is a fair request as is shown by the fact the the UN Red Cross are now in meetings in the north of ireland, a group who ownly exist where conflict exists, the men who went to meet them coming off the plane where stopped at a road side for 3 hours, leaving the red cross stranded, i dont wonder why, the british dont want the world to know that conflict still exists in the north of ireland.

I have no problem with them believing whatever they want, it's their insistence that I and the Majority of others should do likewise that is the problem.



they get status in portlaoiose for no other reason than the Government here want to keep them quiet not because of any great admiration for what they do by the general population.

As for people being held up for hours at a road block, it's despicable, happens all over the world, Perhpas republicans should rise above this and not abduct people to beat them up.

"North Side Gael"



Anyway, we've both done our bit for the cause on here,, 2 threads up and running...



That is the main thing after all..

dhorse wrote:Punnishment or community beatings orginated from other countries but existed in our country through the fenians and michael collins time.
A recent research report from univeristy of ulster said support was growing for these type of beatings of course they are not the answer but it does mean that people are losing what little faith there ever was in the PSNI.







Indeed. However if we use past behaviour to justify actions then wifebeating, slavery burning people because some priest reckoned they were posessed by a devil etc etc.



As for people not having faith in the PSNI, i doubt very much if they want The garda Siochana very much either,, they just want control end of story.



Do you not envisage a time when this type of carry on might become unacceptable.





























As for the political prisoner compared to ordinairy prisoners your talking to RG about, they are political prisoners whether you like it or lump it, they have political motives for being where they are, this is recognised across the world and even in portlaoise jail. They be believe they should be treated like political prisoners and not just ordinairy prisoners, which is a fair request as is shown by the fact the the UN Red Cross are now in meetings in the north of ireland, a group who ownly exist where conflict exists, the men who went to meet them coming off the plane where stopped at a road side for 3 hours, leaving the red cross stranded, i dont wonder why, the british dont want the world to know that conflict still exists in the north of ireland.

I have no problem with them believing whatever they want, it's their insistence that I and the Majority of others should do likewise that is the problem.



they get status in portlaoiose for no other reason than the Government here want to keep them quiet not because of any great admiration for what they do by the general population.

As for people being held up for hours at a road block, it's despicable, happens all over the world, Perhpas republicans should rise above this and not abduct people to beat them up.

RNU actively work to find an alternative and have an office which their members started on the falls road by the name of conflict resolution, they fully trained their members in university of ulster and the works, so i certainly hope a time comes when they can stop.

As for it being past, it is proven to work better than the PSNI set up and possibly the garda set up depending on where you are in the south, it has made areas better off for residents in housing estates in belfast and derry city.

I do know where you are coming from though.

So to sum up punishment beatings.

Internment without trial = bad.
Assault without trial = good.

Not anymore Dhorse, it appears that they are too busy watching SKY News and, as a result, have turned into British Conservatives.[/quote]

"Turned" Sf are about as conservative as it gets.

RNU actively work to find an alternative and have an office which their members started on the falls road by the name of conflict resolution, they fully trained their members in university of ulster and the works, so i certainly hope a time comes when they can stop.

"THEY'' fully trained "THEIR" members.. Pol Pot had a similar system going.




As for it being past, it is proven to work better than the PSNI set up and possibly the garda set up depending on where you are in the south.



It depends on whether you are a criminal or a law abiding citizen...
Who deals with the the Vigilantes when they get out of line?



I do know where you are coming from though.

I doubt it

RNU actively work to find an alternative and have an office which their members started on the falls road by the name of conflict resolution,

will they be opening an office on the Shankill road?

For all those who believe the PSNI are now our beloved community police service - F**king scum is a better description!

The young wife (36) of a well known Belfast republican died this week in tragic circumstances. At first the rumour mill spread around that she had died by her own hand, that wasnt the case and she has died by accident. The night of her death Monday the PSNI pulled up outside the home of the husband. The PSNI began to beep the horn of their car and when he and his gathered family looked out the win......dow, the PSNI officers in the car began to do hanging actions with there tongues out and laughing at them. The angry family had to restrain him from going out to them.

This morning while trying to organise funeral arrangements, the PSNI stopped his car on the Falls rd and told him to pull his car into the bus lane, He said that he would be blocking the bus lane if he did so ans was there a better place to pull in, at this stage one officer pulled his flick stick out and began to attempt to smash his window, he jumped out and told the cop that he had had enough of them and to leave him to grieve. He was wrestled to the ground and had his head, slammed by the boot of their car leaving a large gash on his head, his elbows and shins were cut also. At this stage as parents of children getting dropped to school at nearby St Louise's jumped out of their cars and came to his assistance. They screamed at the cops to leave him alone and to un-handcuff him as he was suffering a loss. The cops sent for re-enforcements and a local SF rep came over and spoke to one cop and asked him to calm the situation down, He was told to go away and not interfere in the incident. In fairness to him he then began to pull at one cop with the other concerned parents who were now also pushing and pulling at the cops. One female officer shouted hit them with CS gas....A PSNI car arrived and one officer after speaking to the others, de-arrested him and told him that he was being referred to the PPS for charges.

This is another example of an un-reformed and un-accountable force that is still abusing our community and know they are free to carry acts like this free from any recourse

The silence is deafening in this issue, more ignore and hope they go away tactics being used by the Brit and Irish governments and also the British Administration in Ireland.

Mean while it will be an excellent event while the PSNI try to normalise their role in Ireland as the British Militia by participating in a game in Croke Park!