Man masquerading as a referee in Croke Park yesterday?

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:16 am

Who was he? And what did he do with the real ref?

**Shinners** Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:26 am

Loyal, ye have my full sympathy - he robbed Longford v Wicklow (but admittedly it was a game we didn't deserve to win)
At the risk of being slaughtered, I think Brennan should've been sent off. The second incident in which he fouled the player and then kicked out at him should've warranted more than a ticking.
The additional time added on was abysmal and as Meath were on the attack at the time they have all the more reason to be aggrieved.
In saying that though, I do not buy into the theory that he was biased towards Dublin when you consider Hubbard was knocked over by a frontal charge and the ref waved play onand there were a few incidences of Dublin players being fouled and getting done for over-carrying.
He was poor for both teams.
Looking at the stats afterwards, was it the sort of game that warranted so many yellow cards?

**RMDrive** Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:37 am

Shinners wrote:Loyal, ye have my full sympathy - he robbed Longford v Wicklow (but admittedly it was a game we didn't deserve to win)
At the risk of being slaughtered, I think Brennan should've been sent off. The second incident in which he fouled the player and then kicked out at him should've warranted more than a ticking.
The additional time added on was abysmal and as Meath were on the attack at the time they have all the more reason to be aggrieved.
In saying that though, I do not buy into the theory that he was biased towards Dublin when you consider Hubbard was knocked over by a frontal charge and the ref waved play onand there were a few incidences of Dublin players being fouled and getting done for over-carrying.
He was poor for both teams.
Looking at the stats afterwards, was it the sort of game that warranted so many yellow cards?

The ref was equally poor towards both teams. Brennan should have gone for sure. He should have received a straight red for the stick but even so he deserved 2 yellows.

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:52 am

RMDrive wrote:
The ref was equally poor towards both teams.

I'm talking about the Meath Dublin game here RMD, sorry if I made myself unclear.

**rich dublin** Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:49 am

the refs name is Marty Duffy unfortunatly he is from sligo an ambsolute ass if ever there was one, he was the ref that colm orourke was refering to when he cam out with his famous "small man" speach that resulted in his public apology!!!

thought he was woefull yesterday he allways bottles the big decisions........

**mid-mon man** Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:33 pm

I have bad memories of that man, acts the bo**ix to us time and time again. It makes me angry to see him reffing a championship game, even if we're not involved!

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:53 pm

Once again, bad refereeing cost us.

The square ball rule does not apply to Dublin anymore, Davoren's point could not have been squarer, do not understand how it stood.

Dublin got at least three points from soft frees.

Kevin Reilly dispossessed Davoren in the first half with a great flick from behind. Davoren fell over after the ball was gone, ref gave a free and Keaney tapped it over from 13 yards.

The ref gave a 20 yard free to Dublin for a foul by Eoin Harrington when the ball was not within 25 yards of him. Anyway, it shouldn't have been a free, Harro did **** all.

Jason Sherlock was not fouled for his free in the second half. Juicy O'Conner stood his ground and Jason fell across him.

They were only selected incidents but Meath had to work far harder to earn their frees. Brian Farrell had to be fouled three times at one stage before the ref put whistle to mouth.

Then there is the thing with Brennan, he should have walked. How could he get a yellow? Either its a red or its not? He went on to score a point and turn out to be one of Dublin's better players on the day.

The two minute thing was a joke. There should have been at least five, also why did he blow it up as soon as Meath went on the attack? Joe Sheridan scored a point two seconds after he blew it up, what was the story there?

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:28 pm

Ah Loyal FFS don't start that s***e! I am disgusted with the Dublin performance because they should have beaten Meath by at least 15 points - don't blame the ref - don't paper over the cracks. Last year ye lost a 10 points lead to Wexford and got slaughtered in Limerick. Call it like it is.

In a poor enough Leinster C'ship Meath are dismal. You have no players of the calibre of Murphy, Geraghty, O'Rourke, Giles any more. The bulk of your team are average or below average players. Don't go nit picking incidents - ask what is wrong with Meath football cos something clearly is.

Also ask why you only brought pathetic support yesterday - I never saw a poorer Meath support

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:42 pm

Maybe you are the one papering over the cracks. I knew what to expect from Meath before the game, I said it would be scrappy and that there would be nothing in it. In the end there was two points in it. You call it "sh**e" but the general consensous round me was that the ref was extremely biased in Dublin's favour. With a more competent ref, Dublin wouldn't have got half those frees, Brennan would have been gone and there would have been a realistic amount of time added on. You went on about Dublin beating Meath by 10 points before the game, there was never a hope of that happening.

We have lots of good footballers. Meath is a proud county with a great tradition, there will always be plenty of footballers there. The problem was too many players out of position, some like Peader not even on the team and too slow to make changes. But we still came to within two points of Dublin. Maybe there was a reason couldn't put away their chances, maybe it was the Meath defence?

There is still life in this Meath team yet.

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:50 pm

Loyal - it's always the same after a Meath defeat with you. Two years ago it was GGs goal, then ye were robbed in the replay - last year Deegan robbed ye but in fairness you didn't blame the ref for the Limerick game - then it's hard to blame a ref for a 9 point defeat by a Div 3 team.

Meath are indeed a proud football county and I am well aware of their greats (many, many) over the last 25 years. This is not about players out of position - its about having little or no quality - end of story. And the defence did well enough yesterday in fairness to them.

But if Dublin had've been anyway composed in front of goal you would be talking about a minimum 10 point defeat today. Maybe its a pity ye are not cos you might realise how poor things are with Meath at the moment. By God we were woeful and still won, pulling up, in reality.

**bocerty** Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:53 pm

perhaps Leinster championship games should only be refereed by Leinster refs!!!!!!

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:59 pm

What would be your thoughts on

a) Two minutes injury time given Davoren was down for more then three minutes? (Just take 1998 for example, games were replayed over this, what is the difference in now and then?)

b) Brennan striking

c) The theory that Dublin got soft frees

I know what Meath are capable of. They are no world beaters but Brian Farrell, Cian Ward and Eoin Harrington are more than just average footballers.

You are getting mixed up if you think Dublin won pulling up. With ten minutes to go, I'd say there was a few hearts in the mouths on the hill.

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:09 pm

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:What would be your thoughts on

a) Two minutes injury time given Davoren was down for more then three minutes? (Just take 1998 for example, games were replayed over this, what is the difference in now and then?)

NO NO NO - a game was replayed because the regulation 70 minutes was not played -extra time is discretionary - ref played 2 mins 40.

b) Brennan striking

It wasn't exactly Tyson now was it but this is the way the game has gone with the SG trtying to get guys hammered. If it happened in 1991 everyone would've laughed. But if he got a red I would not have complained.

c) The theory that Dublin got soft frees
Ref was bad - Meath got soft frees but Dublin may have got one or two more. No big deal.

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:17 pm

JC in fairness to Loyal, the referee was very biased to Dublin in the closing stages. Dublin deserved to win no question about it but he yellowed out on a red card for Brennan, gave Dublin a lot of soft frees at the end and should have played at least 2 more minutes extra time than he did. (I'm not getting at Dublin, you know I love the Dubs Wink

)

Also can I just say something that pisses me off...people who say 'We should have beaten you by more but for the wides we kicked'

This to me seems there is more a problem with the shooting boots of the scorers, and this statistic should be used in no way to say you are better than the other team. Perhaps the opposition should get more praise for good pressure from their defence.

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:22 pm

Bright-Oak wrote:JC in fairness to Loyal, the referee was very biased to Dublin in the closing stages. Dublin deserved to win no question about it but he yellowed out on a red card for Brennan, gave Dublin a lot of soft frees at the end and should have played at least 2 more minutes extra time than he did. (I'm not getting at Dublin, you know I love the Dubs )

Also can I just say something that pi**es me off...people who say 'We should have beaten you by more but for the wides we kicked'

This to me seems there is more a problem with the shooting boots of the scorers, and this statistic should be used in no way to say you are better than the other team. Perhaps the opposition should get more praise for good pressure from their defence.

Well sorry all then - yes it appears that Meath should have won this game yesterday regardless of the fact they were clearly not the better side. Yeah I don't mind if we all start a petition to hand the match to the Royals cos I have had a bellyful of it at this stage ... where do I sign?

[Trots off to find an online Badminton forum for peace of mind ....]

ps No pressure on shooters - just rank bad finishing but sorry to p*** you off ....

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:27 pm

Jayo Cluxton wrote:
Bright-Oak wrote:JC in fairness to Loyal, the referee was very biased to Dublin in the closing stages. Dublin deserved to win no question about it but he yellowed out on a red card for Brennan, gave Dublin a lot of soft frees at the end and should have played at least 2 more minutes extra time than he did. (I'm not getting at Dublin, you know I love the Dubs )

Also can I just say something that pi**es me off...people who say 'We should have beaten you by more but for the wides we kicked'

This to me seems there is more a problem with the shooting boots of the scorers, and this statistic should be used in no way to say you are better than the other team. Perhaps the opposition should get more praise for good pressure from their defence.

Well sorry all then - yes it appears that Meath should have won this game yesterday regardless of the fact they were clearly not the better side. Yeah I don't mind if we all start a petition to hand the match to the Royals cos I have had a bellyful of it at this stage ... where do I sign?

[Trots off to find an online Badminton forum for peace of mind ....]

ps No pressure on shooters - just rank bad finishing but sorry to p*** you off ....

ahem see my bolded quote above

**Jayo Cluxton** Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:44 pm

Bright-Oak wrote:
Jayo Cluxton wrote:
Bright-Oak wrote:JC in fairness to Loyal, the referee was very biased to Dublin in the closing stages. Dublin deserved to win no question about it but he yellowed out on a red card for Brennan, gave Dublin a lot of soft frees at the end and should have played at least 2 more minutes extra time than he did. (I'm not getting at Dublin, you know I love the Dubs )

Also can I just say something that pi**es me off...people who say 'We should have beaten you by more but for the wides we kicked'

This to me seems there is more a problem with the shooting boots of the scorers, and this statistic should be used in no way to say you are better than the other team. Perhaps the opposition should get more praise for good pressure from their defence.

Well sorry all then - yes it appears that Meath should have won this game yesterday regardless of the fact they were clearly not the better side. Yeah I don't mind if we all start a petition to hand the match to the Royals cos I have had a bellyful of it at this stage ... where do I sign?

[Trots off to find an online Badminton forum for peace of mind ....]

ps No pressure on shooters - just rank bad finishing but sorry to p*** you off ....

ahem see my bolded quote above

Deserved to win .......... BUT BUT BUT BUT ...........

Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:47 pm

Come on Jayo, Derry got more than enough criticism over the last few weeks, if you can dish it out...

**RMDrive** Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:17 am

From the Indo ...

One of Marty Duffy's watches stopped during Sunday's Leinster clash between Dublin and Meath and consequently the Sligo whistler did not add on the correct amount of additional time. Many referees use two watches, one to start and stop for breaks in play (the one which stopped on Duffy) and another to keep track of the total time played.

Duffy should have played at least three extra minutes after a delay due to an injury to Dublin attacker Mark Daveron midway through the second half, but he added just over two and a half minutes.

**bocerty** Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:13 am

so he played over two and half minutes as opposed to the three minutes he should have - would Meath have scored 2 points in thos 30 seconds - i doubt it, had the scored one Cluxton would have wasted sufficient time that the kick out would have signalled the end of the game.

Splitting hairs here lads on that one!!!!!!!

**Jayo Cluxton** Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:24 pm

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:Once again, bad refereeing cost us.

The square ball rule does not apply to Dublin anymore, Davoren's point could not have been squarer, do not understand how it stood.

Dublin got at least three points from soft frees.

Kevin Reilly dispossessed Davoren in the first half with a great flick from behind. Davoren fell over after the ball was gone, ref gave a free and Keaney tapped it over from 13 yards.

The ref gave a 20 yard free to Dublin for a foul by Eoin Harrington when the ball was not within 25 yards of him. Anyway, it shouldn't have been a free, Harro did **** all.

Jason Sherlock was not fouled for his free in the second half. Juicy O'Conner stood his ground and Jason fell across him.

They were only selected incidents but Meath had to work far harder to earn their frees. Brian Farrell had to be fouled three times at one stage before the ref put whistle to mouth.

Then there is the thing with Brennan, he should have walked. How could he get a yellow? Either its a red or its not? He went on to score a point and turn out to be one of Dublin's better players on the day.

The two minute thing was a joke. There should have been at least five, also why did he blow it up as soon as Meath went on the attack? Joe Sheridan scored a point two seconds after he blew it up, what was the story there?

Hey Loyal - just found this rant against refs and decisions. Can you not just accept the decisions??

**bald eagle** Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:13 pm

WUM of the highest order IMHO!!!

**Loyal2TheRoyal** Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:52 pm

Lets hope all officialdom arrive safe and sound in Croke Park this year.

Did the REAL ref from last year ever turn up or is he still missing?

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