Kilkenny v Tippereary All-Ireland Hurling Final 2009

mossbags wrote:Agreed Boxtyboy. Tommy Walsh might very well be the best player on the pitch tomorrow but theres no way they'll be handing him over the champagne. And rightly so, he's a proper dirty little c**t. Superb hurler though.

A moot point Mossy. Tommy is a truly class act given his stature and he thence "hurls on the edge".
Kilkenny aren't angels by any means and young Sami's point on another thread that Tipp should mullock into them is absurd.
Kilkenny, as I've seen over 50 odd years can play it whichever way. Small Tommy is just playing it as best he sees it.
A thorough little gentlleman in real life, no swagger, pretensions or bull to him. But a wasp in the black 'n amber....

Great game so far. KK finding it hard to establish a rhythym thanks to incessant Tipp pressure. Tommy Walsh is on fire here in fairness

Epic.

The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

GAA-Fan wrote:The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

Don't be stupid.

Disgusting.

Mayhem.

Totally agree! Twas never a penalty and Eoin Kellys free after the second goal should've been retaken cos the Kilkenny player jumped at him.
Disgraceful. He didn't have too many hard decisions to make and he blew it.
By the way the Kilkenny fans are a total and utter disgrace. Every man woman and beast involved with Croke Park and the GAA came out during the week appealing with the fans not to invade the pitch at the end of the game and do they listen? They should be ashamed of themselves and if anything happens to any of them then so what, they bloody deserve it!

Commiserations to Tipperary! They gave it everything and should be proud of themselves!

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

Don't be stupid.

are you telling us it was a penalty Loyal - it was a mile outside the large parallelogram and never a penalty - if definitely changed the balance of the game and handed the initiative to Kilkenny.

You man trying to decapitate Walsh may have had something to do with handing the initiative to KK.

RMDrive wrote:You man trying to decapitate Walsh may have had something to do with handing the initiative to KK.

in fairness RMD Tipp were still in front on the scoreboard and well on top in terms of posession and winning ball so while it didnt help the Tipp cause it certainly didnt do anything to knock them out of their stride - the penalty on the other half did.

Cody was taking no prisoners when Marty Morrissey asked him about the penalty.

Jaysus, what a final. My heart goes out to Tipp and they can feel rightly aggrieved. But still, Kilkenny, what a team. You always know they have it in them to turn things around in an instant. The penalty may have been dodgy but what about Benny Dunne getting sent off? That hardly helped matters and may be as big a factor in the result, despite Kilkenny not using the free man right to begin with it was always going to tell in the end.

The pitch presentation didn't go down too well, had to resort to Plan B again! No way you're going to keep that amount of fans off the pitch no matter what measures you take. It's up to the fans to behave themselves, but sure they're just after winning an All-Ireland, I know if I was ever in that position I wouldn't be responsible for my actions! And of course once a few break out the rest aren't going to stay where they are. I presume this will be scrapped for the football final, not safe. Then again that would be the sensible approach, wouldn't be at all surprised to see the GAA try it again.

bocerty wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

Don't be stupid.

are you telling us it was a penalty Loyal - it was a mile outside the large parallelogram and never a penalty - if definitely changed the balance of the game and handed the initiative to Kilkenny.

The referee did not cost Tipp an All-Ireland title. Best team won. Fairly sure Henry would have buried the free anyway if that was what the ref gave them. .

Shinners wrote:Totally agree! Twas never a penalty and Eoin Kellys free after the second goal should've been retaken cos the Kilkenny player jumped at him.
Disgraceful. He didn't have too many hard decisions to make and he blew it.
By the way the Kilkenny fans are a total and utter disgrace. Every man woman and beast involved with Croke Park and the GAA came out during the week appealing with the fans not to invade the pitch at the end of the game and do they listen? They should be ashamed of themselves and if anything happens to any of them then so what, they bloody deserve it!

Commiserations to Tipperary! They gave it everything and should be proud of themselves!

Shinners girl that ref had a great game. you try and keep up with the play in that game.
As was rightly pointed out he left the game flow brillantly i thought if they gave MOTM to Coady last year he was in the running this year.
The foul he called was when the hurl arm went around the neck.
As regards the fans would you stay in your seat after your county wins an all Ireland and has also beaten there bogy team in a final and joined another of there great rivals as the only counties with 4 titles in a row.
Sorry I have to disagree with nearly everything you post rants about.
Kellys free to be retaken because a player jumped - this happened constant during the game should all the frees be retaken what about cummins taking the last free from about 5-10 yards from when the foul occured (after a tipp player had moved it forward). Be consistant in you febble criticisms if you want to pass comments.

Great game by both teams and by the officals and the better team won don't think too many can argue with that. Also well done to tipp i has hoping that they would be pulverised but credit where credit is due they nearly did it but didn't hsve enough in the end

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

bocerty wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

Don't be stupid.

are you telling us it was a penalty Loyal - it was a mile outside the large parallelogram and never a penalty - if definitely changed the balance of the game and handed the initiative to Kilkenny.

The referee did not cost Tipp an All-Ireland title. Best team won. Fairly sure Henry would have buried the free anyway if that was what the ref gave them. .

i actually think the best team lost - Tipperary were on top all over the field and in a match winning position when the penalty was awarded - it knocked them quite a bit and IMO cost them the game - there's no guarantee Shefflin would have scored the free.

If the same had happened Meath in an All-ireland final would you have had the same opinion Loyal???????

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

bocerty wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

Don't be stupid.

are you telling us it was a penalty Loyal - it was a mile outside the large parallelogram and never a penalty - if definitely changed the balance of the game and handed the initiative to Kilkenny.

The referee did not cost Tipp an All-Ireland title. Best team won. Fairly sure Henry would have buried the free anyway if that was what the ref gave them. .

Agree 100% with you loyal

JimWexford wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

bocerty wrote:

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

GAA-Fan wrote:The referee just cost Tip the All Ireland title!

Don't be stupid.

are you telling us it was a penalty Loyal - it was a mile outside the large parallelogram and never a penalty - if definitely changed the balance of the game and handed the initiative to Kilkenny.

The referee did not cost Tipp an All-Ireland title. Best team won. Fairly sure Henry would have buried the free anyway if that was what the ref gave them. .

Agree 100% with you loyal

you'd have put your mortgage on Shefflin to bury the chance he got in the first half and he missed - and he was nowhere near as influential today as he has been in other games - so its difficult to be certain that he would have goaled from the free - but we'll never know now.............

I take what you say on board Jim but firstly, it was NOT a penalty. A free, yes but come on he had taken 7 steps!
As for Eoin Kellys free, yes it had happened throughout the game, but more often than not scores came from them so pulling it back to be retaken shouldn't have come into it.

As for Cummins taking a few extra yards on the free, what about PJ Ryans puck-outs? How many times was he going to step out of the small square on them? Cummins only stepped out of the small square once (that I saw)

Yes the better team did win but it was not a flawless performance by the referee. They even said it on the Sunday Game afterwards that it wasn't a penalty. Kilkenny probably would've ground down the 14 men of Tipp towards the end but the decision to award the penalty accelerated it! It was a great match too but people will be more likely to talk about, was it a penalty or not instead of was it a red card (for Dunne) or not.

Shinners wrote:It was a great match too but people will be more likely to talk about, was it a penalty or not instead of was it a red card (for Dunne) or not.

That's because you can argue about the former, there's absolutely no question about the latter!

That penalty that shouldnt have been given really knocked Tipperary out of their stride, then the second goal just killed them. Cant fault KK for the second but the first shouldnt have happened. What an exciting game!

I stand by my post. That was the FASTED game I have witnessed in a long long time CREDIT to BOTH teams and the OFFICALS.
One man to keep up with a small white ball generaly stuck (or on average) about 50/60 yards.
even Mr bolt requires 10 secs to cover a 100 yards WITH THE BENIFIT OF TV REPLAYS rather than an on the spot call people have decided it wasn't a penalty folks I have news for you it was a penalty it was given and recorded so get over it.
Thats the problem people over analysis the shite out of things- Shinners your correct regarding the puck-outs.
Think on this point if the ref calls every free (technical and personal there are differences) that game today would of been a disaster.
For once the officals need to be appaulded, to say he hadn't any tough calls to make would lead me to wonder your knowledge of the rules. The man used the advantage rule excellantly today and WAS PART of making that final the classic it was.

It wasn't a penalty, Tipp were the better team and should really have stayed on top, but Benny Dunne a complete idiot - disgusting and a deserving red card. Kilkenny took their points and scored a goal when it mattered, towards the end of the second half Tipp hit too many wides and should have scored at least twice after feeble shots were saved well.

I am absolutely gutted and was close to tears at full time but it was a fantastic game of hurling and I fell priveleged to have seen it.

SamiPremier08 wrote:It wasn't a penalty, Tipp were the better team and should really have stayed on top, but Benny Dunne a complete idiot - disgusting and a deserving red card.

A moment of idiocy but not necessarily carried out be an idiot. Too fired up, the same thing happened in the Munster Final when Mullane pulled across Brian Murphy and got sent off.

there's no excuse for doing that loyal

SamiPremier08 wrote:It wasn't a penalty, Tipp were the better team and should really have stayed on top, but Benny Dunne a complete idiot - disgusting and a deserving red card. Kilkenny took their points and scored a goal when it mattered, towards the end of the second half Tipp hit too many wides and should have scored at least twice after feeble shots were saved well.

I am absolutely gutted and was close to tears at full time but it was a fantastic game of hurling and I fell priveleged to have seen it.

Good for ya Sami, Tipp did themselves proud there today. Just at the point when you began to feel they just might do it, everything went wrong. Dunnes actions were completely idiotic as you said but even down to 14 Tipp were still on top. The crucial thing though is they missed chances whereas Kilkenny didnt. I think they were hard done by with the penalty decision although this in itself is not why they lost. Ref had a decent game otherwise imo.Lar Corbett was immence today but truth is KK have 6 or 7 Lar Corbetts in their forward ranks alone.
The champions could call on players like Gorta and TJ Reid from the bench whilst leaving out the likes of Cha and Hickey altogether. They are a force of nature and even a great performance from Tipp today wasn't enough to stop them. Theres enough evidence to suggest that the gap is narrowing though and you should be proud of your team today while equally looking forward to next year. All in all a great All-Ireland final.

Shinners wrote:Totally agree! Twas never a penalty and Eoin Kellys free after the second goal should've been retaken cos the Kilkenny player jumped at him.
Disgraceful. He didn't have too many hard decisions to make and he blew it.
By the way the Kilkenny fans are a total and utter disgrace. Every man woman and beast involved with Croke Park and the GAA came out during the week appealing with the fans not to invade the pitch at the end of the game and do they listen? They should be ashamed of themselves and if anything happens to any of them then so what, they bloody deserve it!

Commiserations to Tipperary! They gave it everything and should be proud of themselves!

Its the GAA who are the disgrace Shinners for trying to deny supporters their tradition and piece of history. I was delighted they had to revert to plan B, hopefully they'll kop on to themselves now.
Also your being very harsh on the ref citing the maybe one major incident he got wrong over the vast majority he got right. No it was not a penalty but the ref was hardly 'disgraceful'. Of course many Tipp fans will believe this cost them the All-Ireland and we'll never really know if their right or wrong, personally I dont believe it did, but that was truly a great 'epic' game today and the ref was a significant factor in making that happen.