Monaghan V Derry - Qualifiers Round 2 July 11th

Only saw the first half but what I saw was some great football, no real dirt. Well done to Derry for a good win and what a display by Paddy Bradley.

Yep MMM - Finlay is a bit of an enigma. Misses the easy ones and scores the ones he shouldn't. Tbh I would consider playing him in the halfback line rather than the half forwards.

Nah we need him on the 40, he hasn't shown what he can do in the last few games but he's our best passer of the ball and scorer of long-range points, aswell as being a great fielder. He has fantastic vision, and doesn't usually miss the easy ones but unfortunately has the last two games. Plus, the half-back line is probably where we have the most options as it is.

Woods is the man who seems to be playing in the half-back alot of the time, he's even back in the corner-back spot at times which I can't understand for the life of me. It's almost as if he doesn't perform like he can unless we get through to late July/August. MOTM against Kerry in 07, had a shocker against Fermanagh in Ulster last year but then MOTM against Donegal and again our best player against Kerry. But he has been lost for large periods in the last couple of games. He's at his best when floating between the half and full-forward lines, like Finlay he has great vision, is a great passer of the ball and can hit long range points, but also good on the square putting himself about and finishing off moves. Why he is back defending I can't explain, there are a number of other players who should be doing that before him.

Woods is a strange case alright. His first point today - a dummy inside and then the outside of the boot was class. Then in the 2nd half when Mon were5/6 points down he turns up in right full position!!!

great great game here, let me first give a big congrats to both teams for playing the game the way it should be played. great free flowing no hassle game wonderfull to watch though i think MMM would have been sick watching it, i mean when was the last team to score 20 points in a game and lose??? wonderfull scores great passes and p.bradley back on song id say niamh is well happy!!!

great great game here, let me first give a big congrats to both teams for playing the game the way it should be played. great free flowing no hassle game wonderfull to watch though i think MMM would have been sick watching it, i mean when was the last team to score 20 points in a game and lose??? wonderfull scores great passes and p.bradley back on song id say niamh is well happy!!!

Yeah rich, it's hard to stomach alright. Again, I'd rather win a dour game than lose in a great game of football. Unfortunately we couldn't do the former twice in a week and had to settle for the latter yesterday.

mid-mon man wrote:Yeah rich, it's hard to stomach alright. Again, I'd rather win a dour game than lose in a great game of football. Unfortunately we couldn't do the former twice in a week and had to settle for the latter yesterday.

i think you have something there MMM, the game last week i would say took alot out of ye because ye looked very tired in the first 20 mins. it goes to show the qualifiers this year are very difficult.

rich dublin wrote:

mid-mon man wrote:Yeah rich, it's hard to stomach alright. Again, I'd rather win a dour game than lose in a great game of football. Unfortunately we couldn't do the former twice in a week and had to settle for the latter yesterday.

i think you have something there MMM, the game last week i would say took alot out of ye because ye looked very tired in the first 20 mins. it goes to show the qualifiers this year are very difficult.

Rich, what do you mean? If they were tired in the first 20 minutes, then they must have been bloody legless in the last 50?

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:

rich dublin wrote:

mid-mon man wrote:Yeah rich, it's hard to stomach alright. Again, I'd rather win a dour game than lose in a great game of football. Unfortunately we couldn't do the former twice in a week and had to settle for the latter yesterday.

i think you have something there MMM, the game last week i would say took alot out of ye because ye looked very tired in the first 20 mins. it goes to show the qualifiers this year are very difficult.

Rich, what do you mean? If they were tired in the first 20 minutes, then they must have been bloody legless in the last 50?

well you know yourelf when you have played a really tough game and if you dont get the proper rest it takes the legs a little while to start to walm up, you look and feel sluggish, a yard or two off the pace it takes a while to get the legs moving again. thats the way it looked to me anyway.

Well I wouldn't agree with that. If you are after playing a game last week, then more than likely, you will be a lot sharper and fitter starting off with a possibility of a fade-out in the last twenty minutes due to fatigue. If a team hadn't played a game in a long time, then they would be off the pace probably taking the first fifteen-twenty minutes to get back up to championship level and intensity. I think you are mixing the two situations up?

Loyal2TheRoyal wrote:Well I wouldn't agree with that. If you are after playing a game last week, then more than likely, you will be a lot sharper and fitter starting off with a possibility of a fade-out in the last twenty minutes due to fatigue. If a team hadn't played a game in a long time, then they would be off the pace probably taking the first fifteen-twenty minutes to get back up to championship level and intensity. I think you are mixing the two situations up?

loyal far be it from me to question the king but have you played football? the biggest thing after a really tough game is rest first now the big problem is that all these guys have to go to work for the week so the cant get the rest you need, thus the lactic acid that builds up during hard physical exersion does not get a chance to be depleted, that gives you that sluggish feeling in the legs. it takes a while for the body to build up the pressure from heat to push all that out. obviously if you have not got the proper rest it you will not be fully right but you can runit off so to speak but it takes a while.

while a team who have not played for a while will sometimes be slow to get up to the pace of champioship football they would usually be fresher and depending on the fitness levels of the team they are playing could start better.

have you never had a really tough match one week and then gone out the following week and then your legs feel heavy? sluggish? and after about 10-20 mins you start to feel good again?

I've played football, hurling et all, not exactly at a high level but played it nevertheless. What you are saying is that Monaghan were tired for the first twenty minutes because of the game last week and then all of their energy came back all of a sudden. Dosen't make sense. Surely Monaghan should have been sharper starting off and then the couple of games take their toll in the last few minutes. You have the two mixed up?

loyal what happens is this. when your legs and body is tired from a really hard work-out or match it takes a few days to recover fully from it. now when you have not had time like professionals to recover properly you go into the next game feeling pretty tired and sluggish now you have the fitness because of previously woring hard through the winter months to build that fitness so your body can take it but the problem is the lactose acid it will take about 10-20 mins of serious work to get the body and muscles up to the correct temperature thus pushing out the lactose acid and then you will be up to your full fitness and speed. watch the game monaghan v derry part 2 and you will see what i am saying in action it clearly takes the monaghan players 10-20 mins to get up to speed.

So what you are saying is:

Monaghan took twenty minutes to "get up to speed" (I presume you mean Derry's speed?) because they played Armagh a week ago.

Is that correct?

Does not make sense to me. I don't know all about acids in the body nor do I have any desire to know but from experience I would say you have the whole thing backways. If Monaghan played Armagh last week then they will feel the effect of that game in the final 20 minutes as opposed to the opening 20 surely?

its hard to tell you loyal just trust me on this or better still watch the match again and you will visably see the monaghan players upping gears after 15-20 mins. i have explained the reason for this its simple really just watch it again and see it visually

Glad to read some positive comments about a meeting between these 2 for a change!

Hard lines for Monaghan and MMM, i heard the 2nd half on the radio and it sounded a very good game indeed. I haven't seen it yet so can't comment on it fully.

Boc - the only people talking Derry up are from outside the county, my feet are on the ground and any of the other people from Derry i've been speaking to are taking this game with a pinch of salt.

As for the draw, we have a very tough game against Donegal, it would've been nice to play a county from another provence for a change!

The 3rd goal by the Bradley brothers would not have looked out of place in the Nou Camp!

bald eagle wrote:Boc - the only people talking Derry up are from outside the county, my feet are on the ground and any of the other people from Derry i've been speaking to are taking this game with a pinch of salt.

BE - it was the analysts i meant - and whilst that is nothing new the danger is some of the younger guys start to believe the hype and lose the focus.

i dodnt think you will have any bother with Donegal - i predicit a comfortable victory there for Derry.