A definitave ruling sought.....

This currách (I was once thinking ship, but..) is languishing close to the rocks, driven there by a misconception that basically is:

What a sports forum is per se.

The following, given that they are what I'd call "occupational therapies with pay" are therefore not sports and topics/opinions on them should be in the general discussion thread going forward...

Naturally Soccerball and Egg-chasing top the listings but here's a few that are also excluded.
I'm merely following the sound advice of RMD to tighten matters up, save space and cut costs..

Athletics.
Boxing.
Croquet. (An after lunch activity)
Doggie matters (Reports of dogging to a new sub thread please).
Equestrian (animal abuse thread).
Fishing (A pastime).

Feel free to continue at will.....

A poll will follow:

Suspending the adverse impact of chemists, cable tv, and corrupt promoters sport at its purest is where things are not complicated by rules and equipment and where,strength, skill speed and physical effort pervail so long jump, high jump, 100 m sprint, 1 mile race or 15 rounds toe to toe in my view would be sport at its purest

So 1,2 would not make my list

An erudite and educated response but......

Still seen as "gainful employment" Hence disallowed...

Croquet should never be discussed as a sport, it is not worthy of discussion. Boule on the other hand is well worthy of a mention.

Formula One, Speedway, Rally Cars, Moto GP and any other 'sport' which involves sitting on your **** and allowing an engine to the majority of the work need to be at the top of that list.

Boxtyeater wrote:This currách (I was once thinking ship, but..) is languishing close to the rocks, driven there by a misconception that basically is:

What a sports forum is per se.

The following, given that they are what I'd call "occupational therapies with pay" are therefore not sports and topics/opinions on them should be in the general discussion thread going forward...

Naturally Soccerball and Egg-chasing top the listings but here's a few that are also excluded.
I'm merely following the sound advice of RMD to tighten matters up, save space and cut costs..

Athletics.
Boxing.
Croquet. (An after lunch activity)
Doggie matters (Reports of dogging to a new sub thread please).
Equestrian (animal abuse thread).
Fishing (A pastime).

Feel free to continue at will.....

A poll will follow:

This must be a WUM.
You clearly do not know what a sport is by your post above.
A sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

ormond lad wrote:
You clearly do not know what a sport is by your post above.
A sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

Would this be your second incursion into this matter?
Didn't you make a similar weak offering on the rogbee thread??

Rogbee "football", also decried hereabouts as "egg-chasing" is merely an excuse for :

A. Fat fun-boys having a grope and a few convivial pints afterwards of a Sat/Sun evening....
B. WannaBee gimps who wear scarves/carry man-bags/have oiled heads (all in the name of impressing birds) trying to be manly.
C. Fookers too stuck up to tog out in caravans/ditches/non-shower facility venues.
D. Gimps who thought that being affiliated to XXXX Rogbee club would advance their imaginary "careers"..
E. The fooking whole thing is business and a bad one at that.....see Bald Eagle's thread on some no-mark, currently live on site.

Supporters of this facetious enterprise will, in a short time, become the Jews of sports fora, un-loved, un-wanted, Exiles....

In short, egg-chasing, the Golden era of egg-chasing aficionados, wankers who thought it was the "next best thing" is over...

But an uncle of mine played on the 1927 Connacht winning team, as did a cousin play on the 1994 team. These are roots and memories that hold impoverished parishes and communities together through lean times. There may be 80 odd years between then and now and many of those years were hungry, lean and frugal, but from my humble coterie of family, none of us fled because the "going got tough".

Naw, we're still here, the Red and Black flags will forever be entwined with the County's Green and Gold and ne're a Fenagh man will ever even "hum" that sh1te that is known as "Irelands Fall" ....

Egg-chasing has a current life span that I'd measure with the current Labour party.....

Boxtyeater wrote:

ormond lad wrote:
You clearly do not know what a sport is by your post above.
A sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

Would this be your second incursion into this matter?
Didn't you make a similar weak offering on the rogbee thread??

Rogbee "football", also decried hereabouts as "egg-chasing" is merely an excuse for :

A. Fat fun-boys having a grope and a few convivial pints afterwards of a Sat/Sun evening....
B. WannaBee gimps who wear scarves/carry man-bags/have oiled heads (all in the name of impressing birds) trying to be manly.
C. Fookers too stuck up to tog out in caravans/ditches/non-shower facility venues.
D. Gimps who thought that being affiliated to XXXX Rogbee club would advance their imaginary "careers"..
E. The fooking whole thing is business and a bad one at that.....see Bald Eagle's thread on some no-mark, currently live on site.

Supporters of this facetious enterprise will, in a short time, become the Jews of sports fora, un-loved, un-wanted, Exiles....

In short, egg-chasing, the Golden era of egg-chasing aficionados, wankers who thought it was the "next best thing" is over...

But an uncle of mine played on the 1927 Connacht winning team, as did a cousin play on the 1994 team. These are roots and memories that hold impoverished parishes and communities together through lean times. There may be 80 odd years between then and now and many of those years were hungry, lean and frugal, but from my humble coterie of family, none of us fled because the "going got tough".

Naw, we're still here, the Red and Black flags will forever be entwined with the County's Green and Gold and ne're a Fenagh man will ever even "hum" that sh1te that is known as "Irelands Fall" ....

Egg-chasing has a current life span that I'd measure with the current Labour party.....

Getting quite boring now Boxty. You don't like rugby - we get it. Some people, however, do like rugby. Some people like rugby and GAA - imagine that!!

Stop being such a miserable, opinionated bore.

SamiPremier08 wrote:Stop being such a miserable, opinionated bore.

Sami speak ... translation - Happy New year Boxty!

Have to agree with Boxty on this one.
I will admit that the game itself played at the highest level makes for spectator viewing that is no worse that most other Fare, and with nothing better today on a miserable Saturday afternoon in February something that Omar would tune into.

However its the "Rugby Scene " comments that Boxty makes above that I 100% endorse.
A while back one Saturday afternoon,same day as Ireland v England from memory - Mrs. Omar decided to take the rugrats to the outlaws house, Omar made his excuses and spotting a porter window asked to be dropped off in town and collected on way back.

Omar entered a hostelery and ordered up some porter and realised that he had wandered into a "rugby pub" (for clarity this was many miles from the environs of Dublin 4).

Omar did a recon and spotted a lot of familiar heads from about the town many of them decked out in the blazers of the local rugby club. I could safely say that about 75% of the ensemble never held a rugby ball in their life, yet had taken it upon themselves to be part of this "rugby scene".

None of this had anything to do with

a) love of the sport b) Giving back to the community c) Social responsibilty etc etc -
It was the exact same group of To$$e£s that are on the chamber of commerce, Lions Club etc etc

All Rubgy was about to these people was to be seen to be a socially important as the next Wa@$er.
If they felt that the barefoot Origami club gave them the same Kudos it would be popular for the same reasons.

The Big Guns of the forum, Boxty and Omar, are giving the youth a right battering here, not to mention a lesson on how to construct an argument.

Ormondlad is, to use parlance with which he may be more familiar, 2 tries down in the 77th minute, and busy defending a line-out in his own 22.

Rugby has changed a lot in recent times - esp D4. The Trevor Brennans are no longer overlooked. I have also seen plenty of blazers in GAA circles who do fook all but wear the blazer ... but they lap up the gravy. Not just a rugby thing.

Boxtyeater wrote:

ormond lad wrote:
You clearly do not know what a sport is by your post above.
A sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others.

Would this be your second incursion into this matter?
Didn't you make a similar weak offering on the rogbee thread??

Rogbee "football", also decried hereabouts as "egg-chasing" is merely an excuse for :

A. Fat fun-boys having a grope and a few convivial pints afterwards of a Sat/Sun evening....
B. WannaBee gimps who wear scarves/carry man-bags/have oiled heads (all in the name of impressing birds) trying to be manly.
C. Fookers too stuck up to tog out in caravans/ditches/non-shower facility venues.
D. Gimps who thought that being affiliated to XXXX Rogbee club would advance their imaginary "careers"..
E. The fooking whole thing is business and a bad one at that.....see Bald Eagle's thread on some no-mark, currently live on site.

Supporters of this facetious enterprise will, in a short time, become the Jews of sports fora, un-loved, un-wanted, Exiles....

In short, egg-chasing, the Golden era of egg-chasing aficionados, wankers who thought it was the "next best thing" is over...

But an uncle of mine played on the 1927 Connacht winning team, as did a cousin play on the 1994 team. These are roots and memories that hold impoverished parishes and communities together through lean times. There may be 80 odd years between then and now and many of those years were hungry, lean and frugal, but from my humble coterie of family, none of us fled because the "going got tough".

Naw, we're still here, the Red and Black flags will forever be entwined with the County's Green and Gold and ne're a Fenagh man will ever even "hum" that sh1te that is known as "Irelands Fall" ....

Egg-chasing has a current life span that I'd measure with the current Labour party.....

You are fairly pathetic and a WUM. Rugby has been played since the 1800s in many parts of ireland and will continue to be played all over the country and there is more and more people joining the sport year on year.
Really?? Implying rugby players are upper class/only joined the sport for social status
Fairly pathetic that you go down the route of saying rugby supporters are wankers.
There is plenty of rugby clubs with a lack of point C. Some clubs dont have great facilities(just have couple of sheds to change in but no showers) but that isnt a big issue if you really look at it
Fair play on the WUM. youve got a reply or two which is what you obviously wanted

Parouisa wrote:Rugby has changed a lot in recent times - esp D4. The Trevor Brennans are no longer overlooked. I have also seen plenty of blazers in GAA circles who do fook all but wear the blazer ... but they lap up the gravy. Not just a rugby thing.

1) I agree its not - Agree there are Blazers everywhere - And don't get me started on Golf Club "jumper draped over the shoulder" types
2) Even if it has changed/or not - I don't or have never had an issue with the "D4" brigade. If the Rugby scene has been to the forefront of sports/social life well good luck to them, each to his own - I look at it from the perspective of - if thats their thing - thats their thinh - Doesn't bother me in much in the same way that it doesn't bother me if a few Henrys wear pin stripes and funny hats at the Henley Regatta each year.
3) I have no issue with the spread of the sport as a sport - If Kids want to play rugby on a saturday morning in winter - fair play - Its better for them than Playstation

Where it grinds my gears though is in "middle Ireland" where people latch onto the Rugby scene for no other reason that perceived social status - And I agree the exact same thing happens in every golf club in Ireland.

I suppose I see it as syptomatic of all that was wrong with the Celtic Tiger - Range Rovers, Bulgarian Ski Apartments, Designer Sunglasses on top of the head(women), even worse Sunglasses on top of the head (men). In summary I feel it is all part of people wanting to be part of Utopian Elite Circle.
In my own view.

1) Be happy with your lot and enjoy life
2) Work harder if you want to have the means to enjoy lifes luxuries/comforts

Jaysus O, from many of your enjoyable posts over the years I possibly and probably had you down in my mind as a man who was very mindful of his social status and aspired to and admired the Utopian Elite Circle ....

Apologies!

All that talk of top range cars, golf and social soirees with VIPs (insert name), junkets, holidays, 60 years old whiskeys, 60 euro old whiskys, holiday after holiday, top restaurants, blah, blah, blah ....

A front! You cad!

Parouisa wrote:Jaysus O, from many of your enjoyable posts over the years I possibly and probably had you down in my mind as a man who was very mindful of his social status and aspired to and admired the Utopian Elite Circle ....

Apologies!

All that talk of top range cars, golf and social soirees with VIPs (insert name), junkets, holidays, 60 years old whiskeys, 60 euro old whiskys, holiday after holiday, top restaurants, blah, blah, blah ....

A front! You cad!

Omar, like the Donegal football panel, renounced the high life 2 years ago.

Thomas Clarke wrote:Omar, like the Donegal football panel, renounced the high life 2 hours ago.

Thats fixhed there .....

Next thing we'll have some old geezer from Leitrim coming on telling us he's tax compliant ....

Actually its two days.

My new Xmas/New Year festivities(which commenced early December) extended to a phased wind-down ending with a few snifters of VSOP on Sunday night. Now in day 3 of Detox -
to put it in perspective Lunch was a Tomato on wholemeal bread sambo(No Butter/Mayo) with a bottle of Innocent raspberry smoothie. I had Porridge for breakfast and last night I went for a one hour walk that threatened at one stage to break into a jog.

Though I think you are misreading the point. I have no issue with High-living and lifes comforts and luxuries - A good meal, a good holiday, a good bottle of wine,experiencing a sporting event are all things that we enjoy and part of lifes experiences. If you have earned them, can afford them, have saved for them, want to sacrify something else for them, or if they are a perk of the 250 hours of work a month you have put in - fair play

however as a matter of choice

Ironing a shirt - putting on a blazer - heading to a drafty damp cold rugby club hall on a tuesday night in January - hoping in vain that you will be elected deputy alternate to the assistant PRO officer in a local rugby club that you never played for and that your kids dont play for is something I don't get.

Again this is something that people are doing because they want to be seen or associated with it. Not because they enjoy it

I see no difference with doing this type of thing in many other sports ... and many do it.

Regarding the other thing

'If you have earned them, can afford them, have saved for them, want to sacrify something else for them, or if they are a perk of the 250 hours of work a month you have put in - fair play '

.... unfortunately there were many who enjoyed all these things that didn't earn them, save for them, sacrifice anything for them nor work 250 hours a year, never mind a month .... and many who did earn and save and sacrify are now paying for these things .. without ever enjoying them.

Thus the guy who wears a blazer down the rugby club is a harmless git compared to the former lads.

Parouisa wrote:I see no difference with doing this type of thing in many other sports ... and many do it.

Regarding the other thing

'If you have earned them, can afford them, have saved for them, want to sacrify something else for them, or if they are a perk of the 250 hours of work a month you have put in - fair play '

.... unfortunately there were many who enjoyed all these things that didn't earn them, save for them, sacrifice anything for them nor work 250 hours a year, never mind a month .... and many who did earn and save and sacrify are now paying for these things .. without ever enjoying them.

Thus the guy who wears a blazer down the rugby club is a harmless git compared to the former lads.

Agree fully (see coment re Ski Chalets and Range Rovers) throw in overseas property, Golf Developments in Spain, Spa Resorts in Ballywherever, prestige hotels in London etc etc) and other exotic investments thats a wider issue - and in some respect the big ticket stuff could possibly be blamed on a list of people that would only run to a few pages.

I still dont like the Rugby scene. I feel much the same about golf clubs if it helps. I was a member of one for ten years becuase I like playing golf on occasions. The only time I went to the clubhouse was to shower.

I know what you're saying and I dislike that kind of thing in life ... but you even get it in church circles. I just don't think there is any difference between guys doing it in GAA, soccer, hockey, rugby, golf etc.

In fairness I think the class thing in rugby has improved hugely - and yes, because it had to! Could never get into the golf either - though many of my ex-soccer playing team mates are addicts - and that has also become much more accessible to the ordinary punter than in the old days.

That said there probably are more knobs per member in golf clubs than most other sports and I have seen personalities change in pursuit of - and after attaining - the blazer .....

So are you venting your dislike of rugby as a sport or of the type of people who watch and appreciate it (based on an incredibly narrow-minded cross-section of your own personal experience)?

Yes rugby is, primarily, and always has been, a game/sport for what some may term as the 'privileged' or 'upper class', in the exact same way that soccer is perceived as a 'working class' game.

However, this does not mean that the entire rugby fanbase is made up of posh boys and certainly does not mean that rugby is "not a sport."

[quote="SamiPremier08"]So are you venting your dislike of rugby as a sport or of the type of people who watch and appreciate it (based on an incredibly narrow-minded cross-section of your own personal experience)?

I doubt many of them neither watch it or appreciate it but otherwise - Yes thats pretty much the Nub of the issue.

Also pretty much dislike anyone who wears clothes the purpose of which is to convey they are part of a scene.

1) Golfers (when not actually playing golf) with Jumpers draped over their shoulders
2) The rugby Sheepskin coat set
3) The horse racing wax jacket set

etc etc

So this is pretty much a thread for you to share your stereotypes and prejudices with everyone?

SamiPremier08 wrote:So this is pretty much a thread for you to share your stereotypes and prejudices with everyone?

No sami that would run to much more than page 2 of 2
Also as a point of order at this juncture it is timely to put a mark on your angle of debate.
A lazy approach where you focus on one area that you disagree with twist and then use it as counterargument to a point never actually made. Have you considered a career in law ?

In this case all you had to so was read my opening paragraph


I will admit that the game itself played at the highest level makes for spectator viewing that is no worse that most other Fare, and with nothing better today on a miserable Saturday afternoon in February something that Omar would tune into.



Versus the opening line of your response

So are you venting your dislike of rugby as a sport



Its hard to read from a high horse